Vagrant Raiders (VR-)

[Savas]

I see a very disturbing reputation sheet..

How can you be neutral with rogues and allied with lane hackers when you just claim those systems from them and not at war??[not to even mention the npc bases/ships there]

The only group that ever gave a damn about Kansas (That I know of) is the NTF, as of now the only territory we really claim outside of Kansas are the areas surrounding the jumphole connections to the former, which don't overlap any real territorial claims as far as I am aware.

What's even more disturbing is that if they pirate in those system you have the right and will shoot them according to your own laws..

There would likely be a few things preventing that from happening. The first being that we would probably try to roleplay it, instead of saying "badpiratedie", because that's what you do on a roleplay server, if we're forced into combat (Something which we would avoid) with said theoretical Rogue pirate a transmission would be sent to the Rogue officials I assume, not to mention before we actually invest in a base there ALL factions in the area will be addressed diplomatically.

Besides the aforementioned Facts you seems to forgot that Mollys are allies with rogues[you declared war,assaulting their base(golden coin) and killed molly id ships],you are in groups with lawfulls when they hunt unlawfuls[even if you don't shoot them] that will not be liked by unlawfulls

I'll leave that first part for the actual High Command lads to answer. As for us grouping with lawfuls - screens please, the only time we grouped with lawfuls was either to fight the Rheinlanders in Liberty, or to repel Nomads and GRN in eastern Bretonia.

*i'll just throw Outcast in this discussion since their allied with liberty unlawfulls and they hunt there together in the area you attempt to claim

Why would the Outcasts bother us? We've had nothing but cordial relations with them and we have no plans on cutting into/disrupting the flow of cardamine anywhere. Granted we are not allied with them, but there simply is no reason for them to shoot at us. In addition it's not as if the Rogues have any qualms against us, we have cooperated in the past and even now are cordial.

Now let's think ahead in the future:
One of your NO- citizens,since there isnt / wont be tagged protected and is open to everyone who wishes to join
or
one of your own members VR- / NO-VR- tagged vessels will pirate a corporation/factions that is lawfully to either of Bretonia or Liberty Government's;you will end up in a position that you will be at war with both lawfuls and unlawfulls of sirius and gallia alike..something that is very likely to happen..

The current VR- know well enough who we are and are not supposed to shoot at and NO- civilians are not permitted to pirate as far as I aware. Now in this less than likely situation you propose in which one of our guys shoots a friendly; it's really simple - roleplay, diplo would be done - again I will leave that for the HC to explain in greater detail.

You don't have the activity/resources to build/maintain a POB in Kansas,

Considering that we have two days more activity than the Mollies who maintain two bases (One in Londonderry, one in Dublin), and members who log consistently, your point is absolutely null. A single Core 4 is not actually hard to maintain provided you log on which we do a lot of.

unlawfulls will destroy it pretty quick since they don't like you[VR],since the only bases to supply yourself might end up be Zoners[only TAZ actually] and junkers[but not Puerto Rico] may be lawfulls ones for a while[until you wont be welcomed anymore];what i'm trying to say is seeing how many unlawfulls failed to maintain a POB since they didnt had the will to do so..[best arguments "We ain't traders" ]even more that is such a looooong way to gather up resources for it

The only thing I got out of this was 'Everybody will end up shooting us for no reason' I have to ask yet again; why would the unlawfuls of the area decide to evict us? We don't stake any claims in their territory outside of small areas around the Kansas connections (Which are more or less unclaimed to begin with), we aren't and will not interfere with their pirating operations so long as they don't pirate NO- tagged vessels who didn't shoot first, and although we don't trade in cardamine anymore we won't mess with their flow of cardamine - not to mention we're not even allowed in Liberty core systems at the moment unless the Navy is escorting us out so, I reiterate, there is simply no reason to shoot at us for the moment.

I just don't wanna see another faction that wants 3 systems,an ID,a ship line[you did show models for it] and that can end up be red to anyone;to go through the similar process of those who preceded it

We don't actually want the entirety of the three systems in our unrestricted ZOI, we want an ID yes, but again that's for the HC to explain, not to mention what you want is irrelevant, and as for the ship line - really? Yes a few of our members made models for them but we don't even plan on making a real ship request (Which is not even possible right now) until we actually show that we can and will maintain our official status - the BW and civilian lines work perfectly for us in the mean time and we are absolutely content with using them.

Next time you want to post feed back please read our RP, transmissions, history etc. and make an actual constructive post - the only thing I picked up from this were null/improbable scenarios in which we were getting royally screwed by unlawfuls who don't hate us rather than any information that actually helps us improve ourselves.

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