(11-18-2013, 11:55 PM)Laura C. Wrote: And how would you solve this situation before rule change? Engage him because "you have Gallic Junker ID mounted on your ship which I see on my scanner so you can´t be Council undecover agent because otherwise you would have Council ID"?
Before I'd shoot him down for having GJ IFF and gear. Of course then there would be the situation of Council ID/GJ IFF combo, but I could still roleplay the ID as the "Pilot ID", and there would be a basis to it as there is an entity in-game to back my claim/rp up.
That would have been my actual proposition by the way (afaik I posted it too in one of the debate threads). Give certain IDs the line that they can consider certain IDs inRP so IDs become semi-inRP. House lawfuls could see if somebody using house corp, house lawful, hostile lawful, generic unlawful IDs, or not. House corp couldn't see if the guy is a pirate or not, policeman could. (Additionally to give some diversity and point to chose police factions over navy, police could have the list of unlawfuls while navy the list of hostile navals.) But there would still be a way to ooRPly check the player is not powergaming. We used to have the IFF for what aerelm wants the "Pilot ID" to be, deception, but the Pilot ID doesn't have any solid form to really exist, while both ID and IFF can be clearly visible for an ooRP observer.
(11-18-2013, 11:55 PM)Laura C. Wrote: So it was there even before, why you have so much problems with it?
Murphy's Law: If something can be exploited, then it will be exploited.
(11-18-2013, 11:55 PM)Laura C. Wrote: Do you want to believe that this gallic junker is undercover council agent because he RPed it good? You can. You don´t want because he RPed it bad or you simply don´t want to believe? You can, just RP it out too.
Problem comes when he doesn't agree with me seeing his ID is fake, and calls me meta-/powergamer for using the ID as ooRP knowledge and saying his Pilot ID is fake based on that (because I really got nothing else than my RP, which can easily be used as an excuse for pew... it has been done before). Then I call him powergamer as well for wanting to pose as an agent when I didn't have a talk with him (when in fact he is free to do so with this new system), and then debate/qq ensues. That comes from lack of pre-defined boundaries of Roleplay/Powerplay.