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revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions
Offline Haste
01-21-2014, 01:09 PM,
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(01-21-2014, 12:53 PM)NonSequitor Wrote: 1. Nearly every vanilla factions' shipline has been expanded. If the Zoners get their big toys taken away, then an awkward question arises: what is the rationale behind the other non-house factions having capital ships? Then players with their own agendas will attempt to "objectively" argue why there faction needs and deserves big caps. More drama ensues.

Although this is no longer viable, I'd say that non-house caps should have been SRP or otherwise restricted from the get-go. Want the very unusual and in-roleplay very rare ships? Work for them. LR- has what, two Scyllas according to their own lore? Sometimes there's half a dozen of indie ones floating around.

(01-21-2014, 12:53 PM)NonSequitor Wrote: 2. Not everyone wants to RP a house pilot (with all the goofy nationalistic stereotypes that often includes), a BHG Core pilot, an Order pilot, or a pirate house pilot (more goofy stereotypes). Zoner RP is dynamic and less restrictive. Less shackles on creativity.
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Uh. You don't need to roleplay a stereotypical character. It is, of course, logical that a navy pilot acts military, and is probably somewhat patriotic and proud of his/her house's culture and traditions.

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3. Bombers kill everything anyway, so what's the fuss.

I don't think that combat is the issue here. The issue is that people come up with all these un-Zonerish factions that claim to have a massive fleet, even though the Zoners logically wouldn't have any noteworthy fleet.



Anyhow, it is of course true that the Zoner faction isn't the only one that expanded way too much since vanilla, but it is one of the silliest examples. The vanilla Zoner faction literally consisted of 7 Freeports - one of which was destroyed - and Ames Research Station. Now, they have shipyards, carriers, mine fields and all that other nonsense.

Perhaps we could shrink down all the factions that grew just a bit too much.

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revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Jinx - 01-20-2014, 01:31 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 01:37 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mister_X - 01-20-2014, 01:42 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 01:42 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Jinx - 01-20-2014, 01:46 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 01:53 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Spud - 01-20-2014, 01:47 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-20-2014, 01:48 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 02:07 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Jinx - 01-20-2014, 01:53 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by lIceColon - 01-20-2014, 01:54 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by djordje_petrovic - 01-20-2014, 01:54 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Haste - 01-20-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-20-2014, 02:20 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-20-2014, 02:29 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 02:32 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Scumbag - 01-20-2014, 02:29 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-20-2014, 02:39 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Scumbag - 01-20-2014, 02:40 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-20-2014, 02:49 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-20-2014, 04:13 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-20-2014, 02:44 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zuretz - 01-20-2014, 02:44 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Challenger - 01-20-2014, 02:49 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Quiron - 01-20-2014, 03:29 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by tyro - 01-20-2014, 03:30 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by djordje_petrovic - 01-20-2014, 03:41 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-20-2014, 03:53 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Daedric - 01-20-2014, 04:00 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mercarryn - 01-20-2014, 04:18 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Lythrilux - 01-20-2014, 04:32 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-20-2014, 06:07 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Lythrilux - 01-20-2014, 06:52 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-20-2014, 06:57 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Rodent - 01-20-2014, 07:30 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Tommeh - 01-20-2014, 07:48 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-20-2014, 08:12 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Omicron - 01-20-2014, 09:04 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Savas - 01-20-2014, 09:53 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Trogdor - 01-20-2014, 10:04 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by arvg - 01-20-2014, 10:09 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Sabru - 01-20-2014, 10:13 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Highland Laddie - 01-20-2014, 10:26 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by tyro - 01-20-2014, 10:31 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Curios - 01-21-2014, 06:03 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by tyro - 01-21-2014, 07:30 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by SMGSterlin - 01-21-2014, 07:42 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 09:43 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by tyro - 01-21-2014, 10:23 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Arioch - 01-21-2014, 10:03 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Curios - 01-21-2014, 10:37 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Arioch - 01-21-2014, 10:36 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 10:40 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Arioch - 01-21-2014, 10:44 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Lythrilux - 01-21-2014, 10:56 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Arioch - 01-21-2014, 10:58 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-21-2014, 11:40 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by tyro - 01-21-2014, 11:51 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 12:06 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Lythrilux - 01-21-2014, 11:57 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Enkidu - 02-21-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 10:58 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Spud - 01-21-2014, 11:11 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by djordje_petrovic - 01-21-2014, 11:16 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Lythrilux - 01-21-2014, 11:21 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Pancakes - 01-21-2014, 11:57 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Jinx - 01-21-2014, 12:36 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Sabru - 01-21-2014, 12:39 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by NonSequitor - 01-21-2014, 12:53 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Haste - 01-21-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Jinx - 01-21-2014, 12:54 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 01:03 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mercarryn - 01-21-2014, 01:21 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 01:28 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Jinx - 01-21-2014, 01:38 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Toan Varcona - 01-21-2014, 02:10 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Pancakes - 01-21-2014, 02:14 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Toan Varcona - 01-21-2014, 02:22 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-21-2014, 02:18 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Toan Varcona - 01-21-2014, 02:25 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Arioch - 01-21-2014, 06:36 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-21-2014, 06:40 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by .Gypsy. - 01-21-2014, 07:33 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by SMGSterlin - 01-21-2014, 11:13 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Highland Laddie - 01-21-2014, 11:19 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Arioch - 01-21-2014, 11:35 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Pancakes - 01-22-2014, 10:35 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by lIceColon - 01-22-2014, 12:03 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-22-2014, 08:15 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by tyro - 01-22-2014, 11:31 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Aazalot - 01-22-2014, 11:43 AM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-22-2014, 04:41 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by puppytaste - 01-22-2014, 03:00 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Spud - 01-22-2014, 03:05 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by lIceColon - 01-22-2014, 03:16 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-22-2014, 03:28 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-22-2014, 03:34 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by RedEclipse - 01-22-2014, 04:05 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by djordje_petrovic - 01-22-2014, 03:41 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Spud - 01-22-2014, 03:46 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Mímir - 01-22-2014, 04:25 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Highland Laddie - 01-22-2014, 05:31 PM
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RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Omicron - 01-22-2014, 08:41 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Highland Laddie - 01-22-2014, 09:07 PM
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RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by lIceColon - 02-21-2014, 04:44 PM
RE: revision of the ZONERS faction - to avoid yearly discussions - by Lunaphase - 02-24-2014, 06:17 AM

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