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Offline ... kur nubėgo?
01-26-2014, 01:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-26-2014, 01:37 AM by ... kur nubėgo?.)
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1. Ransoming huge amounts of people is not a possible option.

1) It's a lot more risky.
2) Goverments do not negotiate with terrorists and alike.

Not like a sair should care about some miners life anyway. Sair would rob and kill it on daily basis, why his status of a slave should make things different? All slaves are drug addicts, even if that's so kidney is a kidney if it does it's function. Some of organs maybe lost some of them migh be ok. What sair should care, just write off 20% to loses by default and you're ok to go.


2. First part doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Kill / torture, make videos, spread in sirius. Don't need anyone being let out to speak of horrors he saw. Keeps up reputation as merciless and brutal without letting anyone go. If that's what you want to achieve of course.

On second part, it seems we both agree


3. Name atleast one influantial culture of medditeran or europe which didn't use slave labour until feudal age. Please share.


4. Yes. Xenophobics are okey with slavery and taking other cultures in, as long as slaves remain slaves forever. Anyway, I don't argue that corsairs should use slave labour, because of pragmatic reasons, they cannot sustain them. I was just talking about trafficking, not using slaves themselves. Again, you don't need to be a drug addict to profit from drug dealing.



Counter argument "1....and sell em to whom, exactly?" so what you are saying that human trafficking is like no longer existent in Sirius? Quite a leap of faith here. If you think that Outcasts are the only ones willing to buy slaves.
Look at this like that. Corsairs are supplier junkers distributor. Corsairs wholesale while junkers retail. Get it now? Or you fail to grasp the concept of human trafficking and what kind of crime it is? Because currently I think you only imagine a person who works at cardi field 16 hours a day and gets beaten 7 times a week.


Counter argument about OC - Sair stance:

Yes there is no such thing as outcast and corsair war. It started a turf war because of sigma 13. There are only 3 systems where outcast and corsair ZoI collides. That is: Sigma 13, Sigma 19 and Honshou. Honshou is so/so because outcast presence there is rather weak, they trust GC to do their dirty job there for them. And omegas are quite populated at the current moment, haven't you noticed?

Ye ofc later came mythos of one blaming other for sabotaging the sleepership, but it's a makebelief story.

Now part about "it's just your personal opinion". In omega 5 there is actuall warfront between hessians and corsairs in vanilla. There is no such warfront between sairs and oc's. Now ofc you can mentioned Omicron Eta, but that system is a fail and was discussed to be removed numerous times. There is ofc a romout of OC/Sair couple being seen in the bar.


Why should corsair care, that someone corrupts the youth of liberty? I mean really? What, corsairs are now sirius police of chivalrous behaviuor? Do you even feel how stupid it sounds when you put it that way?

But yeah lets talk about so called anti-thesis of corsairs:

1. Both are hispanic, comes from same sleepership.
2. Both believe in their own supremacy
3. Both cultures were outlawed and feel betreyed by the rest of humanity (atleast in subconsciuos level)
4. Both peoples have some sort of reproductivity problems. For corsairs it's scarcity of resources, for outcasts low fertility.
5. Both have supremacy in some sense. Outcasts DNR enchanced by cardi. Corsairs handy with shipbuilding and probably some access to alien knowledge due to artifacts.
6. Both cultures take extreme measures to survive.

Only big difference between these cultures is that Outcats don't breed as fast, therefor they put bigger emphasis on life of indivual. Choose to act in indirect ways, forge alliances, corrupt houses from within and similiar. While corsairs tend to use their military poweress more, because they have too many people and quality of ships.

Sorry but I fail to see this anti-thesis of yours.


Graywash factions? You accusing me attempting to greywash a faction? I want to see faction for what it is. And I'm really freaking tired of people smuggling all sorts of nonsense from their personal feelings or biases to the faction. And start attributing chivalrous knightly or heroic traits to their characters.. those characters later form factions and those become official and start mandating that now everyone should be knightly. Guess what? There are as much knightly characters as there are orphans it's a overused troope which in fact does the graying work.


Corsairs are no bs survavalists. They there forced to be such right from the landing. And still are. Sorry but I just don't see where do you fit your ideological honor nonsense when all one wants is to put bread on the table.

Now I don't say that corsairs should be down right 'evil'. But I feel that after trivium of TBH, OPG, and Benitez was broken so did the corsair faction development. Each of those factions represented a fraction of corsair roleplay. TBH inner affairs and military poweress, Benitez culture, socium and foreign affairs, OPG all the dirty work corsairs get themselves involved too.

OPG lost it's ground.. so did that dirty side of corsairs lost it's ground weighting scale towards house like lawful faction conduct. And if anything, this makes corsair faction to feel more generic.

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Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-25-2014, 12:42 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Mímir - 01-25-2014, 12:45 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Pancakes - 01-25-2014, 12:48 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Eugen - 01-25-2014, 12:48 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-25-2014, 12:48 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-25-2014, 12:53 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-25-2014, 01:04 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-25-2014, 01:27 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Rodnas - 01-25-2014, 01:39 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by roadrunner - 01-25-2014, 01:48 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-25-2014, 01:56 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-25-2014, 07:15 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Sonoshee - 01-25-2014, 07:16 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Doc Holliday - 01-25-2014, 07:22 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Narcotic - 01-25-2014, 07:34 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-25-2014, 07:56 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Eugen - 01-25-2014, 07:45 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-25-2014, 07:46 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Eugen - 01-25-2014, 07:48 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Narcotic - 01-25-2014, 08:09 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Rodnas - 01-25-2014, 10:09 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 01:23 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Gentle - 01-26-2014, 10:52 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Rodnas - 01-26-2014, 11:24 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Omicron - 01-26-2014, 11:40 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Crowbar - 01-26-2014, 11:48 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Jose Benitez - 01-26-2014, 11:49 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Zen_Mechanics - 01-26-2014, 12:09 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Mímir - 01-26-2014, 12:14 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 12:37 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Gentle - 01-26-2014, 01:42 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-26-2014, 02:37 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by JayDee Kasane - 01-26-2014, 03:35 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 04:04 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by JayDee Kasane - 01-26-2014, 07:23 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 09:42 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-26-2014, 04:13 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Vice999 - 01-26-2014, 06:37 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 04:23 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Jose Benitez - 01-26-2014, 05:25 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 06:37 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Jose Benitez - 01-26-2014, 06:41 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Pancakes - 01-26-2014, 05:52 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Pancakes - 01-26-2014, 07:14 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-26-2014, 08:17 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by JayDee Kasane - 01-26-2014, 08:35 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-26-2014, 08:43 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Vice999 - 01-26-2014, 09:12 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Jose Benitez - 01-26-2014, 09:24 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-26-2014, 10:39 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Slavik - 01-26-2014, 11:11 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-26-2014, 11:21 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ProfGiggles - 01-26-2014, 08:36 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ProfGiggles - 01-26-2014, 10:15 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-26-2014, 10:43 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Laura C. - 01-26-2014, 11:24 PM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by ... kur nubėgo? - 01-27-2014, 12:15 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-27-2014, 01:24 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by Jose Benitez - 01-27-2014, 10:54 AM
RE: Corsairs and slavery - by chase.way - 01-27-2014, 02:05 PM

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