(02-03-2014, 01:57 PM)ichiru Wrote: InRP, the military at the time of the attack had no way of knowing this. They found out through a metagame from one of our members (which was very naughty of him too).
When they found it out through other members of you, it could be called spies in your ranks? Other than that, it was also a way to promote activity. Finding each other sooner, why not?
The only contact that we had before we were attacked was in Hamburg, which does not provide enough information to say that we were going to end up near Zwickau Depot.
That indeed left them with less information than I thought, but nonetheless it was quite reasonable to look in the system where the threatened base would be.
The military didn't know this iRP. All they knew was that a ship was being moved into Rheinland.
Put two and two together.
At the time of the attack, the Bundschuh had not yet made any communication saying that they were going to attack SGHQ
Even if you had found us without using OORP methods, there was no reason, no reason for the military to bring 5 Cruisers (at least 3 with Sollies), 2 Bombers, a VHF, and a Battleship to deal with a single battleship, a gunboat, 2 Heavy Fighters, and an SHF.
Afaik in indie chat there were reports that you'd have about three battleships. That information was most likely gathered through playerlist™, or ingame scouts (can't tell which), so everyone logged their anti-capital things. When it turned out to be a less capital-oriented fleet, I suppose not everybody could be bothered to relog to a different ship.
The fleet appeared about 2 minutes after we got into Dresden. The fleet wasn't there when we were moving all the ships
So you were found quite quickly.
We didn't have the numbers for 6 bombers and 1 battleship. Not to mention half the people were Natio Octavarium anyway and their bombers were halfway across Sirius. There were also several solarisboats and snubs too. It's pretty much impossible to counter with such a small force + 30 seconds notice.
Considering you had a lot of snubs in this case it would've been an easy thing to just escape? Especially since the Frankfurt hole isn't far. Same goes for the VR ships. Through some jumphole sequence blocking you could've helped the battleship to escape when you realized there were people coming after you. That you were overwhelmed with the numbers has been acknowledged, but again, you had alternatives. Same goes for the military guys. I used to preach every now and then in the indie chat to stay back when there was a fight going on that was already heavily unbalanced (taking more factors than numbers into account, that is).
Lovely ad hominem here. And it's never legit to metagame and send a huge gankforce to anyone, that's just ruining the fun of the other players and is not what being an official faction is about.
There are plenty of other explanations when you don't instantly go "metagame!" and think about the situation a little more.
There were several BDM and RM official ships there, and -all- of them stayed to the very end even when there was only one VWA ship left, and -all- of them attacked me in their cruisers and battleships and snubs.
It seems that at this point you have already lost the fight. Offering duels at that point of time would not seem in accordance to the 'No survivors, no witnesses' rule that is so often inflationary applied.
We weren't expecting to have our position revealed through metagaming and leading an entire capfleet into a cloud is terrible tactics anyway. Think back to the 80 Year war. Not that we should have to fly 40k off the plane to have RP without being met by a gankforce anyway, that's completely unreasonable
We couldn't counter the enemy forces considering half of us didn't have bombers, there were less of us, and you had solaris equipped cruisers
At least 50% of the force was made up of official faction players and they also failed to move away once they had completed killing all but one.
80 year war is totally taken out of context right now. Again, changing positions on an irregular basis would've helped you not getting discovered. I see your point with the entire capfleet, but I trust that Lobster had her reason to do so.
Well for one you weren't even there so you don't get to try and tell me the circumstances of a fight that I was in, and you're just plain rude to legitimate feedback given
Apologies for appearing rude in my responses, I'm just trying to defend the decisions made by members as long as they seem reasonable. Especially when how it comes to the activity gained is called metagaming etc.
@Sheaim
Thanks for sharing a bystander view on it. What happened has happened can't be changed again. I can again try to preach in chats not to gank all the time, and with such an amount of ships that is accused here to be involved you can not always control everything on the battlefield. Again, being focused on a fight also means not seeing everything that's said in the chat. When you see that in an unfair fight many indies / officials are not hold back, it is the fault of the one in command while it is also the fault of those letting it happen to them.
With the Liberty war, your character should not be too surprised when rheinland lawfuls are not welcoming you. There have been lots of traders before you, most of which rather silent, while a checkpoint is being made to scan ships for contraband.
Furthermore, our members might be busy with something different at that point of time. When there is one pirate in Sigma-13 (which actually is GMG territory) but a hessian group threatening the flow of the trade in the capital, then the capital has priority. If you want to have a more in-depth interaction then feel free to signalise that, others might not always notice. Merc has also covered the specific example already.
Or, on other occasions, I had some traders pm'ing me about a pirate when I was about to log off because of an appointment or something else, then I obviously can't come there since RL goes first. I then proceed to drop a message into the indie/emergency chat about it. If nobody logs in then its unfortunate, and I'll try to remind myself (and others) to respond to you about this.
Flying around as [RM] also means having a lot of people PMing you with questions, where you on some days lose the overview. Another thing that is open to change, but I can not promise something on this subject.
