Proposal: New "Phantom" Shipline

[Echo 7-7]

Since you joined in 2006, you should be aware that the models in question have a history much longer than the Phantoms. The Shadow was Junker, then LSF, then Phantom, whereas the Cruiser was the Corsairs first large cap.

I'm not sure why replacing these ships was an almost non-existent objective, since the reason's you're using to justify the change now (low quality, old ship-pack content, whatever else) are reasons that haven't changed for at least since as long as I've played discovery. I disagree with some of those reasons personally, particularly since I've flown this ship since it was a Junker one so it's quite close to my heart, but if you believe the reasons you have, they've simply not changed for years.

Yes, we've all seen enough Sabres and Eagles to last a lifetime, so why are you choosing one or the other? As usual, you're advocating a second-best stop-gap measure instead of doing it properly. As you say, they were made in a short time by somebody who doesn't specialise in modeling, but this doesn't look like a modeling job, but a texturing one. Not saying the work is bad, it isn't and it's more than I could do, but what's the point in adding a retextured ship?

If you want quality, as you say you do, you wont settle for it. Speaking of which, lets talk about the model quality of the freely available Havoc II.

There are many ships with long histories that have been replaced by newer models. In short, the old Phantom ships are now no longer an exception to that rule.

What's the point?
1) We needed new models because the old Phantom ships are very poor quality, and imports to boot.
2) It sets a precedent for the replacement of the old Phantom ships with superior models.

Since you too joined in 2006, I would assume you know how ships get into the mod. In most cases, models are not commissioned (at least in this era of the mod); modellers approach the Dev team with their work, either as new submissions or as replacement submissions. This is a case of the latter. If aerelm hadn't created these ships and offered them to us, we'd still be stuck with the old models. Any modeller can do the same as he has, and submit replacement models.

Why are we choosing one or the other? We're not choosing, as we have not been offered a choice. What aerelm has offered us is retextured CTE ships. If someone else wants to retexture BW ships and submit them (or he himself does that), then that's fine too - but that hasn't happened yet.


Addendum: If we get a better offer, we'll take it. It's that simple.

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