(02-18-2014, 10:41 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: There are many ships with long histories that have been replaced by newer models. In short, the old Phantom ships are now no longer an exception to that rule.
So they were an exception to this rule at one point? When was this and why did it change?
What's the point?
1) We needed new models because the old Phantom ships are very poor quality, and imports to boot.
Low quality based on what, and imported from where? I know the cruiser is a star trek thing but if you look at the Ravens Talon now, which used to be from star wars or something (?), that's how a replacement should be done aesthetically.
2) It sets a precedent for the replacement of the old Phantom ships with superior models.
There's nothing superior about this proposed replacement. They lack imagination and don't even try to bring something new to the server. Additionally, why do you need to set precedents towards the community? Typically you do things without such precedents anyway.
Since you too joined in 2006, I would assume you know how ships get into the mod. In most cases, models are not commissioned (at least in this era of the mod); modellers approach the Dev team with their work, either as new submissions or as replacement submissions. This is a case of the latter. If aerelm hadn't created these ships and offered them to us, we'd still be stuck with the old models. Any modeller can do the same as he has, and submit replacement models.
Nothing's bad about being stuck with models that look nice. If you really had a problem with the quality of models, all this grumbling I've heard over the years about some modelers' model quality would've meant that their ships would never be included in the mod, but there they all are. And look, that policy of accepting sub-standard replacements and additions has caused said models to be replaced again and again.
Why are we choosing one or the other? We're not choosing, as we have not been offered a choice. What aerelm has offered us is retextured CTE ships. If someone else wants to retexture BW ships and submit them (or he himself does that), then that's fine too - but that hasn't happened yet.
You are choosing, it's pretty obvious to everybody that you're choosing to replace one with the other. I'd oppose a BW retex replacement as much as a CTE retex replacement, because neither adds anything to the server.
Oh yes, except maybe those Hamburg City feels.
Addendum: If we get a better offer, we'll take it. It's that simple.
Given that this is a proposal and not a notice of inclusion into the mod, I reckon you'll be taking those opinions you're seeking into account before coming to a decision? Or has that decision already been made? If so, the point of this thread doesn't exist, you might as well close it and soldier on with replacing so-called substandard content with stuff that manages to be worse somehow.
