So, I have now read through all these pages, and it does not come as a surprise to me how many those were with that topic.
Okay, first of all: Nice models JInx, seriusly, although I have to say your intended Aquilon or Nephilim model would more fit to the Resheph.
About your idea to change the zoner capital ships in to mere battletransports, I would like to remind you of a proposal of mine on another threa:
(01-21-2014, 01:21 PM)Mercarryn Wrote: Hmm, just an idea that perhaps might be a REAL compromise, i.e. keeping the ships as they are ( to some extent) and at the same time ensure that there are less Zoner indies abusing the caps as offensive weapons.
All zoner caps (cruiser and higher) are able to mount both their appropriate weapons (means cruiser weapons on cruisers and bs weapons on the bs), and mount transport turrets on the same slots.
And here comes the real important change: The normal zoner ID get a little additional sentence in their Infocard, something like:
-May only mount transport turrets on capital ships of cruiser size and higher.
Before anyone starts to say: "WTF are you suggesting, Merc? Impossible!"
Do you perhaps remember the Ahoudori in combination with the Researcher ID?
Ahoudori is able to mount both gunboat and transport turrets. And the researcher ID in 4.85 only allowed the use of an Ahoudori in combination with transport turrets.
Result: The Zoner caps in combination with normal zoner ID could not be abused for acting like military, yet other factions that can utilize them like the Order (Yes, I know, I sound biased, see my last post) can utilize them as military ships with some roleplay reason. The same can be applied to the three official factions.
good compromise - but the transport weapons are not balanced for the sizes of ships like the juggernaut. - their ranges are simply too low -- BUT with adjusted models - that compromise might actually fly. ( think of the suggested ships - with the option to mount capital class weaponry - thats fine if it is agreed on )
But now it seems the devs want to nerf the zoner capital ships for all zoner factions. Offical ones and unofficial. Please take in mind, that the change of zoner caps will also affect the Order as in the past some RP was done toget access to zoner capital ships. Order|CV-Inquisitor (Nephilim) and my 141|Sobek (Aquilon) are a good example of this. And back then they were requested as capital ships, not battletransports.
So, what will now happen to those order players like me that set up some RP work into motion to get such a cap for the order? Would it still not be an option to let the official zoners and order players use cap weapons on the nephilim and Aquilon and set up a restriction line on the zoner ID which limits the use of these ships in combination of transport turrets?
Because in general I agree with you that there should be a certain restriction on the zoner caps, sure. But it should be done in a way that still leaves rooms for options. Yours does not really offer such.
So, I ask the Devs once more to think of this proposal - especially since Phoenix seem to approve it, too - instead of going a way of "no alternative to solve the zoner cap abuse".
