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Gytrash's rant.
Offline Highland Laddie
02-28-2014, 01:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-28-2014, 01:37 PM by Highland Laddie.)
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I'm going to repost this...because this is actually a well-made rebuttal from Echo of all the problems Zoners seem to have with the idea of their Battleship/Colony ship being re designated as a Battletransport:

Quote:You are incorrect in stating that "gameplay cannot accurately reflect lore". Making that statement does not actually support your argument, and is in fact contradictory, since you should not be roleplaying the Nephilim as a Battleship anyway. (This would appear to be another instance of you misinterpreting and/or twisting my words to give you material to yell about.) It is more appropriate to say that gameplay is manipulated to portray lore to the closest approximation where possible. Sacrifices may have to be made for the sake of lore balance or gameplay balance depending on the situation.


Let me break this down a bit more simply.

Before:
The Nephilim is a battleship by game mechanics.
The Nephilim is a mobile colony ship by lore.

After:
The Nephilim is a (battle)transport by game mechanics.
The Nephilim is a mobile colony ship by lore.


As far as whether or not this change will be reconsidered; the Zoner leadership has not yet offered any substantial lore pertaining to their faction or ships which would justify them having semi-restricted or unrestricted quantities of these ships. Simply stating that your history and activity is dependent upon some very specific gameplay functions of these vessels is not a defense for their existence (or inappropriateness) in canonical lore.

Based on what I've heard...this is how I perceive the problem:

Zoners like to think of their Colony Ship as this:
[Image: th?id=HN.608010989413205652&pid=15.1]

And they are afraid that merely have the word "transport" attached to what they always perceived as the above, they are going to be flying this:
[Image: th?id=HN.608000977850466568&pid=15.1]

When the reality is...they should have ALL ALONG had something more akin to this:
[Image: th?id=HN.608019390373953672&pid=15.1]

Maybe we should just compromise and give them this:
[Image: th?id=HN.608013497672990773&pid=15.1]

Why don't we all stop posting about how crappy and unable to defend themselves the new ships are going to be until we actually see some stats, eh?
p.s. why is it we never hear this much whining and complaining about how unable to defend itself the Zoner Whale is, hmm?
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Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 03:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Major_Mayhem - 02-28-2014, 03:58 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Joggin - 02-28-2014, 04:48 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 04:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 04:58 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Major_Mayhem - 02-28-2014, 05:07 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 05:06 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 04:10 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:01 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Petitioner - 02-28-2014, 07:42 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 04:13 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 04:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Luis - 02-28-2014, 04:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Luis - 02-28-2014, 04:57 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:03 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:07 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:18 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:22 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014, 05:06 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 05:31 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Durandal - 02-28-2014, 05:25 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:30 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:25 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Enkidu - 02-28-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 03:45 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:50 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:32 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Durandal - 02-28-2014, 05:34 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:36 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:38 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:39 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:41 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 05:41 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:43 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:49 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Savas - 02-28-2014, 05:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by McNeo - 02-28-2014, 05:49 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014, 05:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:06 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:09 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:11 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:18 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:20 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:21 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 06:21 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Corsair - 02-28-2014, 06:25 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:28 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 06:26 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:30 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 06:40 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:42 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 06:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 07:05 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Moberg - 02-28-2014, 07:34 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:46 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:47 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:49 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 06:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:54 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:57 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:58 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:02 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Huhuh - 02-28-2014, 07:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:57 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 07:40 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 06:55 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:01 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:04 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:05 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:07 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:10 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:16 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:21 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:26 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:26 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:30 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:36 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:41 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:45 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 03-01-2014, 04:15 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:36 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:02 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by sindroms - 02-28-2014, 07:09 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Sheaim - 02-28-2014, 07:12 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Syf - 02-28-2014, 07:16 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Sol - 02-28-2014, 07:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:16 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:17 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Echo 7-7 - 02-28-2014, 07:20 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 07:36 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:45 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Eduard - 02-28-2014, 08:27 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Echo 7-7 - 02-28-2014, 02:24 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Enkidu - 02-28-2014, 02:32 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 07:29 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Huhuh - 02-28-2014, 07:55 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Petitioner - 02-28-2014, 08:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 08:16 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Lythrilux - 02-28-2014, 08:44 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Zayne Carrick - 02-28-2014, 09:53 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Vladimir - 02-28-2014, 10:39 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Omi - 02-28-2014, 11:00 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Savas - 02-28-2014, 01:46 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Divine - 02-28-2014, 01:56 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Sheaim - 02-28-2014, 03:59 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Divine - 02-28-2014, 04:05 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Tonto1911 - 02-28-2014, 04:24 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Divine - 02-28-2014, 04:32 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Lythrilux - 02-28-2014, 04:47 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 04:07 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Govedo13 - 02-28-2014, 04:14 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 05:03 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014, 04:16 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Sath - 02-28-2014, 04:20 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by sindroms - 02-28-2014, 04:56 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 08:47 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by lIceColon - 02-28-2014, 09:59 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 10:26 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 10:49 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 03-01-2014, 12:12 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 03-01-2014, 12:28 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Omega472 - 03-01-2014, 02:54 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 03-01-2014, 02:58 AM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 03-01-2014, 09:23 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 03-01-2014, 11:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Huhuh - 03-01-2014, 11:15 AM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 03-01-2014, 10:42 AM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 03-01-2014, 10:46 AM
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