If Zoners are getting their caps removed...

[Coin]

Eh, I just realized something, guys.


Zoners cannot support battleships, right?

We give them 3 new types of transport.

They turn out to become a massive outer-house trading empire.

It becomes OORP for them NOT to have battleships with that wealth.














Wat.

Ouch, it appears the Devs concerned have shot themselves in the foot.

But, they refused to listen, so they cannot place the blame elsewise.

Small as in less then 20 battleships iirc from what AeternusDoleo said.

If we consider the fact that in vanilla FL, 20 battleships would have been larger than the size of a house military...

Organised as in Guildmaster, centralised power, recruitment process, ranks, a goal, as oposed to zoners who are independent.

Yep, that makes sense for a group who are a paramilitary outfit.

Funded as in all the money from bounties in four houses from governments, corporations, civilians go to them.

How much do you think the houses would be spending on this? Then how much of that would be knocked off in various costs of keeping the hunters themselves in pay, maintaining the house-hunting vessels, supply costs, administration and employing the people to do the administration, the amount of credits lost to "the system" if you want... How much does it actually cost to build, crew, maintain and field a large warship?

The houses would have to be spending a significant portion of their GDP on merely employing bounty hunters, if enough cash was flowing to the guild core for them to field 20 battleships + screens... Are they doing this, in lore?

These are things to consider. I don't have the answers.

there are four houses, and if we assume that they are each spending 10% (numbers used for example) of their GDP in supplementing their armed forces with bunters, the bunters are receiving 40% of the value of the GDP of a house, but don't have a house to run. no schools to build or bridges to burn, they can spend 100% of their GDP on their paramilitary aims. This represents a good deal for the houses involved, as their 10% is actually purchasing a fleet worth 40% of their GDP - in essence, the BHG *could* be a very very strong military force, and their RP could well be a 'king-maker'.

What about Order caps? They're stranded in fug all nowhere with lawful enemies in nearly every house.

What about Order caps? They're stranded in fug all nowhere with lawful enemies in nearly every house.

This is something of a tricky issue with The Order. They really shouldn't have lawful enemies everywhere. The Order and Liberty, for example, probably shouldn't be hostile to one another. The fact they have been in disco is slightly mystifying to me, due to the ending of the vanilla plotline.

I think this was something of an oversight in the early development of the mod, which has subsequently been justified by having things to do with stationing caps in soveriegn space, and disagreements about nomad experimentation, and so on... But all these reasons being given are largely just trying to find logic in a situation that the two groups have been stuck with. (And possibly giving Liberty a reason not to have the Osiris?)

As for the Order having a cap fleet - they are a small paramilitary group with limited funding, so I tend to agree that their cap-fielding ability is certainly limited. However, they do have lore precedent for the Osiris, which changes the game somewhat.

The Order are a bit of a problem case in this regard.

as i understood it, a bunch of order caps came to visit ny and shot up the place, and they've been enemies ever since. InRP, the order doesn't have the funds of the bhg, but they do occasionally 'pull an orillion' and lift themselves a new toy from the lib navy. jeez, those guards must notget trained very well. As a result of their larcenous recidivism, the LN are mighy mad at them, cos they are building ships and the order are stealing them, so they are forced to turn to that strong fighting force, the bhg, to slap them around and try to get it back. consequently, the bhg has caps, the order has the LN's caps, and the LN should have all their caps turned into transports just keeps on building them.

Less caps, less lags, less nubs, more snubs, more activity, more groupfights, more fun.

fourteen words of poetry. you should post more often. kudos, sir, kudos.

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