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Gytrash's rant.
Offline MrWeeks
03-01-2014, 06:29 AM,
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I quote here the discovery 4.86 "Nephilim" Zoner Dreadnought info from the outdated wiki. (If you could post the infocard that would be great but I deleted 4.86 and fresh installed 4.87, so I don't have access to the infocard anymore.)

Quote:The new upgrade to the aging "Juggernaut" class Zoner capital ship was named "Nephilim" after the race of legendary giants. Zoners have customized these vessels to fill multiple roles on the modern battlefield as well as serve as heavy transports and supply ships for the most remote regions of space. Ships of this class take up unbelievably vast amounts of resources and expert engineering, but are also designed to be in service for several generations, justifying their great cost. The Zoners who travel into the unknown of deep space trust these ships to sustain them during long explorations that are expected to take several generations, and thus outfit the ships to be capable of light industry and hydroponic food production during the voyage. The Nephilim is also capable of making planetfall and establishing a fully autonomous colony. The new Nephilim is equipped with an expanded docking bay, upgraded navigation and tactical stations, and improved fire control computers. Its reactor core is far more efficient than the previous design, propelling the ship with the same power core used in the "Leviathan" class. It is not known how many of these ships are deployed by Zoners or to what exact use they are all put, but it has become a certainty that Zoners do possess the capability to produce them.

I now quote the infocard from the current patch, to which the ship has been renamed the "Nephilim" Zoner Colony Ship

Quote:The new upgrade to the aging "Jinkusu"-class was named the "Nephilim", after a race of legendary giants. The Zoners have customized these vessels to fill multiple roles on depending on the needs of crew, from heavy cargo transportation and logistics management, to miniature mobile freeports prowling the edges of known space.
Due to their sheer size, ships of this class are expensive and slow to manufacture, but are designed to be in service for decades, justifying their great cost. The Zoners who travel into the unknown depths of space trust these ships to sustain them during long voyages, and thus outfit the ships to be capable of light industry and hydroponic food production during the voyage. The Nephilim is also capable of making planetfall and establishing a small colony.
The new Nephilim is equipped with an expanded docking bay, upgraded navigational controls, and an improved defensive grid. Its reactor core is more efficient than the previous design, propelling the ship with the same power core used in the "Leviathan" class.

Now what I see here is a deliberate planned future change by the devs, namely in the fact that they changed the infocard to exclude the fact that they have the capability to produce the vessels.
Quote:It is not known how many of these ships are deployed by Zoners or to what exact use they are all put, but it has become a certainty that Zoners do possess the capability to produce them.
has been rescinded.

Also, notice the following modification from:
Quote:Zoners have customized these vessels to fill multiple roles on the modern battlefield as well as serve as heavy transports and supply ships for the most remote regions of space. Ships of this class take up unbelievably vast amounts of resources and expert engineering, but are also designed to be in service for several generations, justifying their great cost. The Zoners who travel into the unknown of deep space trust these ships to sustain them during long explorations that are expected to take several generations, and thus outfit the ships to be capable of light industry and hydroponic food production during the voyage.

To

Quote:The Zoners have customized these vessels to fill multiple roles on depending on the needs of crew, from heavy cargo transportation and logistics management, to miniature mobile freeports prowling the edges of known space.
Due to their sheer size, ships of this class are expensive and slow to manufacture, but are designed to be in service for decades, justifying their great cost. The Zoners who travel into the unknown depths of space trust these ships to sustain them during long voyages, and thus outfit the ships to be capable of light industry and hydroponic food production during the voyage.

It is literally as if the devs selected the text from "the modern battlefield" to "expected to take several generations" and pressed Backspace, then proceeded to change the vessel from a warship which can carry cargo (which I think is a bit wrong) to "heavy cargo transportation and logistics management, to miniature mobile freeports prowling the edges of known space"
(evidence provided by the redundant "on" in the second edit. "fill multiple roles on depending on the needs")

Also
Quote:The Nephilim is also capable of making planetfall and establishing a fully autonomous colony.

has been changed to

Quote:The Nephilim is also capable of making planetfall and establishing a small colony.

While I see this as a potential reason for renaming it to the Zoner Colony Ship I don't see why this was done, the way I interpret it is this: "In addendum to the vessel being a battleship it is also capable of making planetfall and establishing a small autonomous colony." Implying that it was not expressly designed for this purpose but rather has the capability to do so and thus will create a colony that is autonomous and therefore not dependant on outside help and/or resources. (if the correct conditions are present of course)

But of course this will sacrifice the ship in the process much like the original colony ships were: [Image: ZfXWIZx.png]

IMO These changes were ill-conceived in the patch from 4.86 to 4.87 and now the effect is snowballing. I seriously think that the devs should look at the changes that were made in the previous patches and releases and very seriously consider the changes that they wish to implement to the Zoners (And any of the other factions/ships you might want to make changes to.)

If anything I think that the Nephilim should be almost switched with the Leviathan, with the Leviathan being the mainstay of the fleet and the Nephilim being the very special RP ship. Which is SRP capable of establishing a planetary colony but sacrificing the ship in the process. This will make the vessels require a remodel (if that's what you really are itching for, devs)

But the changes need to be proposed and discussed properly with the community, not just put out there and said "This is and this will be."

And finally, thanks for reading!
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Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 03:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Major_Mayhem - 02-28-2014, 03:58 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Joggin - 02-28-2014, 04:48 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 04:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 04:58 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Major_Mayhem - 02-28-2014, 05:07 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 05:06 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 04:10 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:01 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Petitioner - 02-28-2014, 07:42 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 04:13 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 04:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Luis - 02-28-2014, 04:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Luis - 02-28-2014, 04:57 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:03 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:07 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:18 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:22 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014, 05:06 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 05:31 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Durandal - 02-28-2014, 05:25 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:30 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:25 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Enkidu - 02-28-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 03:45 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:50 PM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:32 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Durandal - 02-28-2014, 05:34 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:36 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:38 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:39 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:41 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 05:41 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:43 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:49 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Savas - 02-28-2014, 05:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by McNeo - 02-28-2014, 05:49 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 05:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 05:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014, 05:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:06 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:09 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:11 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:14 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:18 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:20 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:21 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 06:21 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Corsair - 02-28-2014, 06:25 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:28 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 06:26 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:30 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 06:40 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:42 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 06:51 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Thexare - 02-28-2014, 07:05 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Moberg - 02-28-2014, 07:34 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Kazinsal - 02-28-2014, 06:46 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:47 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:49 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 06:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:54 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:57 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:58 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 06:59 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:02 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Huhuh - 02-28-2014, 07:50 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by tothebonezone - 02-28-2014, 06:56 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 06:57 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by .Gypsy. - 02-28-2014, 07:40 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 06:55 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:01 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:04 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:05 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:07 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:10 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:16 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:21 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:26 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Dead Reckoning - 02-28-2014, 07:26 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:30 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:35 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:36 AM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:45 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 03-01-2014, 04:15 AM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Gytrash - 02-28-2014, 07:02 AM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Echo 7-7 - 02-28-2014, 02:24 PM
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RE: Gytrash's rant. - by LunaticOnTheGrass - 02-28-2014, 07:29 AM
RE: Gytrash's rant. - by Reid - 02-28-2014, 07:51 AM
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