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Offline Jack_Henderson
03-21-2014, 03:27 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-21-2014, 03:27 PM by Jack_Henderson.)
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Some feedback from a few weeks of intensive interaction with JM|.

In advance, I apologize to those players inside JM| that are not part of the "special" circle and who care for fair play and roleplay. I do not want to ignore the fact that these players exist.

As it will come anyway, let me say that this is no QQ. I didn't get my ass handed to me in the last days, but it is an overall feedback/criticism of a soon-to-be official faction that has taken quite a weird turn since its beginning.

Anyway, enough foreplay. Here it is:

In general one JM| pvp style is: join a fight that is already in their favour with dual missile CSV or full missile-torp Recyclers. This is not the first time, it is rather normal to have good fights unbalanced by JM joining in. Worst example so far: 4 OC vs. 2 IMG. 2 JM missile ships join, making it 6 vs. 2, of course ending the interaction immediately for all players involved.

JM| also means Y-, rather automatically. If not enough op ships are in the field, often another set of horribly broken ships with Y- tags appear. Kusari HFs, GC IDs mainly often with that missile gunboat for near-complete invulnerability.

JM| ships sundive rather frequently. Especially those missile-torp Recyclers that have blown off their own equipment suicide into suns. Same is true for some fighter that cannot win a 1on1 duel surprisingly and then rather sundives when low on regens.

Quite some JM|s would rather run from T23 to Freeport 6 in T29 or twice between T23 and Freeport 10 and back than give a fight and potentially a blue message (at least that Tau29 player then just docked and spared me the "Freeport" game. Honestly, thank you for that).

Quite some JM| players like to play the "Freeport game". Running to it, hiding inside the neutral structures, then powering up cruise at a good moment. Comes with dual missile ships that need ammo a lot. The chasing party can CD, but will anger the Freeport likely. The alternative is, letting the enemy get away and he can rejoin with full bats/bots/ammo.

Then the JM| leader complains about my attempt to roleplay with the CoF/Zoners about the abuse of Freeports by his people oorply.

JM| also means Pelican spam. 3 at a time plus a few missile CSVs, a Y-GB and an indie repairship launched against a small snub group. The idea seems to be: get the things that are overpowered, then spam them, pile on anybody who is stupid enough to log (like the few [KNF] that came to challenge you) and then be rude afterwards if anybody dares to complain.

The "Agama Screwdriver" repairship last time (even though indie, but surprisingly well integrated) in combination with your superior numbers and broken ships escalated things to yet another level when I thought you had already reached the top.

Yesterday, the faction leader tells his mates to assist in making more missile CSVs, so they can be shared/given to new members. Laughter and agreement after some discussion how cheap these ships are to spam and how broken and annoying they are. (Teamspeak, 20.3.14)

The attitude is horrible. The complete disregard for fairness or the lack of understanding that Disco is more than stomping on the opposing players as hard as you can with any means you can is bad. But: "More pelicans, more CSVs, woop woop" is the leader's answer in a recent discussion.

JM| leaders and lead members yesterday explained that they never give kudos. It's not entirely true for all (some did and do), but in their view kudos thread can only be used for ironic, passive aggressive criticism. (20.3.14, Teamspeak). There has never been any "Hey, that was fun" or "Sorry, this went bad. Better next time".

In these people's interpretation, a "Gf!" in the end of a fight has a different meaning. It means "get f...ed". It was kind of illuminating and sometimes actually made sense.


To conclude it: I have tried really hard to give JM| roleplay first, then good fights. But after this fast step-by-step escalation that JM| has been doing (Spazzy-type Recyclers, missile CSVs, Y- Kusari oorp group, Pelican hordes, Repairship), it has become increasingly hard to have fun in the pvp aspect of the game.

It's not an alternative for me to counter your choice of ships with a lawful Kusari-oorp-wing, nor will I make missile CSVs, nor spam pvp-transports against snubs. I find it cheap and not fitting for an official faction.


So, now you can start picking things apart, asking for evidence, arguing petty details or just take a dump on the feedback and say it is QQ.

The general statement will remain, whatever you say:

In general, JM| is not a faction I enjoy interacting with any more (exceptions are the few good roleplays and the few fair fights; thank you to the players that made them happen).

I would like to ask you:
  • What do you add to the game except egoistic pleasure for yourself?
  • Why would anybody care to log for you and interact with you when all they get is troll-ships and broken stuff, combined with bad underlying attitude?

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Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Junker Marauders - 03-02-2014, 09:55 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Luke. - 03-02-2014, 09:58 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Korny - 03-02-2014, 10:15 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by t0l - 03-02-2014, 10:16 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Connor - 03-02-2014, 10:35 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Enkidu - 03-02-2014, 10:46 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by HassLHoFF™ - 03-02-2014, 10:54 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Junker Marauders - 03-02-2014, 11:14 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Kazinsal - 03-02-2014, 11:36 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Jack_Henderson - 03-02-2014, 11:52 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by WesternPeregrine - 03-03-2014, 12:06 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Teerin - 03-03-2014, 12:37 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Junker Marauders - 03-03-2014, 06:01 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Junker Marauders - 03-03-2014, 11:28 PM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Ryus - 03-04-2014, 12:38 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Papa Oomaumau - 03-04-2014, 01:56 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Junker Marauders - 03-04-2014, 02:32 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Papa Oomaumau - 03-04-2014, 03:46 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by NOVA-5 - 03-04-2014, 03:49 AM
RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by AceofSpades - 03-04-2014, 05:30 AM
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RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Junker Marauders - 03-05-2014, 12:50 AM
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RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Jack_Henderson - 03-21-2014, 05:53 PM
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RE: Junker Marauders | JM|- - by Jack_Henderson - 03-21-2014, 06:28 PM
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