(03-21-2014, 09:32 PM)Junker Marauders Wrote: Hate? Contempt? Abuse?
Jack, we're not here to ruin the game for you. In fact, we're not here to ruin the game for anyone.
Then read the last pages in here.
And tell me how this does not ruin the game for me.
This is not even any more about your silly choice of ships and your willingness to go full-retard when it comes to abusing broken stuff.
It has been made abundantly clear here that this is just pure hate against me.
And yes, this ruins the fun in the game.
Quote:We do not mean to upset anyone
A dozen interactions with JM| prove otherwise. Sorry. I find it very hard to believe that the choice of ships and the alliances you made were not meant to upset people. No. I have been in the TS channels, I have listened to it and I know that for quite a number of your members "upsetting someone" is all they are playing for. I assume Lyth is answering here, so I can only say: You were there. You cannot deny the truth because you were explaining in detail how to upset enemies by spamming the CSV ships you asked others to help you make.
Quote:If you can't handle the fire, get out of the frying pan.
See, I am easily able to handle the irp part of it. If it was an irp conflict, which it is not.
I find it hard to convince myself why the oorp messy part should still be worth doing.
This has gone fast from an irp conflict to "let's beat up Jack, like... for real". There is nothing irp any more about what has been happening. It has become a "let's see, what else we can do to win by any means possible". You can now say, that this is valid. Your choice of means however makes it invalid in my view.
Quote: It's not like JM was completely happy about being extremely ganked prior to the 'weird turn' either.
No one is. I doubt IMG| really did JM| hard. And I remember talking to Lythrilux about how he could improve pvp skill in his faction because it was depressing to lose for his newer members. This talk would not have been constructive if he had felt that IMG was abusing his people badly. If we did, I apologize.
Quote:I did tell you that it may be wise to not go looking to pick fights with JM all the time if you believe we may defeat you.
I don't know whether it is so hard to understand my point of view. I'll try to explain it. It is part of the game to pick fights. I try every single time to bring ships for the opposing side when I see an organised raid. I am one of the people who normally tell the people who go "let's not log, we will be ganked to hell": "Come on. It is a space shooter. Shoot things in space."
So, basically I could say now: After having been ganked hard over the last weeks by a wild alliance of people who likely log so much because they hate me personally, I will not log any more for fights and log off when I see enemies on scanner. Is it that? Is that the way to play Disco?
In my opinion, fights should not be something you need to protect yourself against because you fear the oorp consequences. Yes, it's oorp consequences when you get ridiculed and laughed at, or when you win, you are hated and despised for what you did. That's not how it should be. But enter a TS channel afterwards, and you will see it is oorp.
This oorpness, the oorp bitterness that has come into the conflict that started as an irp one, actually a pretty funny one, I blame largely on a few very visible, loud and present JM| members and their ruthless style of treating people. IMG may not have been innocent, most of the time no one is, but you cannot deny the conscious escalation.
Quote: We have no problem with people deciding to opt out of fighting.
But you see, that Tau 23 fighting could be fun, do you? That fights could be more than "we must win!", "we must never give a blue message". That they should be better, and more fun. Also for the one that loses it. That's where it fails. That's where - in my view - JM|'s choice of tools/strategies has to be blamed.
I guess after the bulk of hate that I received here, I will really drop out of this. This is hurting me on a personal level, and I am actually not playing a game to feel like I feel after reading through the replies to what is criticism, but definitely not invented points of criticism.
