Thank you everyone

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NO. I dont think igiss supports this and i surely dont.

Cam - do you have a mentally telepathic link with Igiss, or are you attempting a socratean authoritarian argument? ('if igiss thinks its bad, then it's bad')
I hear ya - you think its bad - but you traded and traded to build yourself up to a juicy capship, and you're therefore vulnerable to fighters and bombers - how sweet would it be if they had to withdraw beacuse of lack of fuel? How much would you be taunting them as they cruised outa the system to get more??

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With the voting categories above we have Yes, No and Really no.
if Really no is against it, and Yes is for the idea, then the last remaining option is 'i dont know'.
this means that apart from a few voices, the majority of people are in favour.
Of the people who are in favour, the majority have come up with a balanced and reasonable argument to support their opinion
Of the people not in favour (of either stamp), the majority have not given an opinion.
Of those not in favour and have given an opinion, some have said NO, in shouty red letters, or have not introduced a balanced argument, or have used authoritarian arguments, or created unnecessary emotional tensions (these were tricks that socrates used, and he was poisoned by his friends, fer crissakes)

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Giving military factions a limitation is a little like real life. In war, dont kill the other soldier, wound him. Dont hit the hospitals, you only free up resources for the other side, leave the enemy artillery alone, concentrate on their fuel dumps and their shipping convoys, etc etc
In a freelancer battle, pilots are shot down, and are miraculously reincarnated as an experienced pilot without having to go through the whole nasty business of puberty and basic flight training. If your careful with your regens and mines/missiles, actually death costs you nothing.
if there is no penalty in losing, where is the prize in winning?
if you cannot kill the other side off, how are you going to win? 'we kept on fighting over the same ball of rock over and over again'... are you waiting for the other side to get bored? Ive seen this happen on a freelancer server, and it killed it off. mod dl's dropped. activity dropped. server died. (RAW anyone?)

However, this suggestion has merit: you can't kill a fighter, but u can keep him from fighting... you can hit his convoys. Remember the traders, the freighter pilots? NO WAR CAN BE WON WITHOUT A MERCHANT NAVY. so lets include them in wars; if you wanna kick the other faction out of a system, go for their traders: they will have to protect them, pulling fighters away from the battle, making less fighters available for: 1. attacking your convoys, 2. policing tradelanes against pirates, saboteurs and agents provocateurs.
Of course, then you will be facing the same problems, and then it comes down to a question of strategy, timing, and basically, who is the better general.

At this point, the lines between RP and RL blur: you really ARE fighting a war. You hate the other side with an intensity that churns up your guts, and there is not a moment when you slip out of RP, because the question of RP is completely irrelevant: no longer will it be a problem of 'not entering the system for four hours'; those bastardos just took down your convoy, robbing you of the fuel that would have kept your fighters going for months - YOU NEED THAT FUEL. YOU NEED TO MAKE THEM PAY. YOU NEED TO RAISE YOUR GAME.

and your worried about losing a few blocks of cargohold?

Ive RP'd as a lawful, a merc, a pirate, and now a trader - and boy oh boy are these the unsung heroes.
On smaller servers, there just is no point to being a trader - the runs are too well known, the bottlenecks are too easy to protect. Some mmorpgs have two factions against each other, and PVP becomes a pitched battle for nebulous 'points', a temporary advantage at best.

Imagine this: the RHA battle the OPG for control of omega 5 and base camp Bautzen station in dresden, thus putting the majority of diamond producing bases and mineable zones in the hands of unlawfuls: Doesn't that drive up the price of diamonds (even with the npc's buying it)? Any trader who is carrying diamonds from NB to NT is suddenly a much juicer target, because few people can get hold of diamonds to take up there. The traders start investigating other runs; they also start trading diamonds DIRECTLY from the RHA, who use this influx off capital to buy more equipt, armour, recruit pilots, etc etc. And all this is possible because the only people interested in traders are the pirates atm.

The point is that there is a prize at the end of the gameshow, or whats the point in competing. 'Too RL', but guess what? Its real life because going to war to secure resources for your tribe is called human nature. By voting no, i guess your really voting against human nature: 'No, I dont want to have to defend my kith and kin, lets make this game unrealistically simple'

This game has been kicking around in various formats (elite?) since I was twelve (lets just say over twenty years and leave it at that, huh?). Each incarnation has brought more complexity to it, more things to learn, more challenges and this has been a good thing, as it has given us, the players, new skills, as well as those wonderful techno-gifted savants who know how to texture ships, write code, and generally, create the game that you love so well: each mod that passes beta testing, they learn a little more of coding (a black magic as far as i'm concerned - up set a coder at your peril, cos he could make your ship fly sideways or something, which would be an awesome punishment actually, no ban, just turret view only hehehhe)

I'd like to see this game get even harder:
- fuel that takes up cargo space, so you have to trade off how far you want to go with how much cargo u want to carry, and then you either make stops to refuel (no real hardship) or have a buddy meet you, or buy a second cargo halfway around to utilise the space freed up by burning fuel....
- different engines that create different cruise speeds
- automated docking removed - skillz only
- shield,laser,and thruster power interlinked, so as your lasers recharge, your shield recharge rate reduces.


I appreciate that not everyone will want to play like this, because it introduces a hell of a lot of variables, and 'whats wrong with the way things are now?'
Simply, if things don't change and become more complex and challenge us and involve us, etc etc, we'll all get bored and end up playing HALO 9 or something, shouting into vent "ROFFLE, I OWNNNNNN"
wheres the RP in that?

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