How much influence do indys have nowadays?

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See a certain discontinuity in your logic there in your two responses?

Restricting caps to official factions means exactly that very thing: taking them away from indies.

I used the term "if" for a reason in that line you quoted from me first, that little word is there because there isn't much to ensure they indeed use those caps for what they were intended to be used. My suggestion you quoted the second time would have been a solution to ensure that "if" disappears/turns into a "yes"/whatever.

When you restrict caps to official factions, you take them away from indies. Either you want that or you don't. You replied negatively when it was formulated harshly for the indies, and positively to the same thing when it was formulated nicely giving officials the caps. So you're not only unable to formulate what you actually want after the third time you're asked to do so, you're also incapable of answering consistently when offered multiple choice questions.

Now you are mixing things. I want to reserve ships for official factions only if officials will be held responsible for the misusage of said ships. I believe it is just fair to have control over something you are held responsible for.

As far as I've seen, the only people who think that officials are responsible for the "mis-use" of cap ships by indies, and thinking they have to keep them out of cap ships, are: official faction members.

I never met an indy who thought it was the official faction members job to keep him or other indies out of a cap ship.

Official factions decide what standards they want to set. Then they complain that indies aren't abiding by the standards that the officials set for themselves. Then some official guy tries to control them or screw them over as best as he can.

I'll rejoice the day that [LN] members and their unlawful alts stop sending direct or indirect "frak-you"s to every indie LN cap they see, because they feel they have the right to hate someone for flying a cap as an indy. I'll rejoice the day I can fly a nomad bomber and fight indy zoner caps again without some official zoner or official nomad or official order guy whining into my ear about how horrible indy zoners are for flying those. I'll rejoice the day I can fly on either side of the gallic conflict, or either side of any conflict, without some idiot starting the same useless and repetitive tirade about how some indy isn't behaving exactly the way that he thinks he should. And in my experience, those whining idiots are almost exclusively members of official factions, and the ones that aren't are mimicking the behavior they saw from official factions.

This is complete bullcrap, lol, please tell me more about how the community expecting some sort of higher standard from official factions is a restriction said officials applying on themselves.

First of all, they submit themselves to expectations of higher standards by wanting to be official. That's their choice, nobody asked anyone to please be official.

Second, the standards that "the community" expects are little more than the standards that the official factions have declared to be their own standards in their faction description. And "the community" that expects them to abide by those is mostly composed of members of official faction members. Ever saw an indy LN going to [LN] feedback thread to complain about their cap spam? Well if they ever did, I have the feeling that they'd only do it because the [LN] decided to declare capspam evil prior to that.

Are many of these "standards" that official factions say they abide by, or are expected to abide by, actually detrimental to fun, and doing more harm than good?

Some sure are. But those standards sure weren't put in place by indy players.

Its really funny how the first to say that they are not willing to take any responsibility for helping or guiding indies are also the first to say they want power and advantages over them.

Again, it seems pulling stuff out of context is a habit of you, isn't it? Or may I call it putting words into my mouth? Saying the last time, control over indies and responsibility for them, officials should have either both or neither. What is so hard in comprehending this? (Seeing the quality of your posts, I expect some basic level of comprehension of the English language from you.)

The problem is that you keep repeating the same stuff about how you want fair treatment, but you don't say how you exactly you want to improve things. And when presented with multiple choice questions out of desperation to know what you actually want, you fail to even answer them consistently, and your answers would actually make things the opposite of fair.

Official factions HAVE control, over the direction the diplomacy goes, over who gets their rep adjusted, the higher-ups can even give order to indies as long as they aren't in contradiction to lore. With that power of control comes the responsibility to use it properly, inseparably.

What they DONT have control over is what each and every indy player flies and does. And nobody holds the official faction accountable for what each and every indy player flies and does, except apparently you who seems to thinks that he has to control that too.

If OC caps docking at Rochester are the problem, why not ask that docking OC caps in liberty or bringing them there should be against the rules?

Well, that's not a bad idea either.

Then why aren't you lobbying for that instead?

The conditions about canon lore and restriction of command authority to 1st and 2nd in command are the very instruments that were meant to prevent "control abuse", and seems exactly that is what you want to get rid of.

Sadly it prevents way more than "control abuse". I explained that too, if you still fail to understand that, I can't help you.

It prevents people like you from ruining the fun of a great number of players by deciding everything for them. Sadly, you and a lot of other people care too little for other people's fun, and care too much about your own sense of superiority that you get from your pixelworld, to be able to understand why these restrictions to faction power are needed.

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