How much influence do indys have nowadays?

[Thyrzul]

When you restrict caps to official factions, you take them away from indies. Either you want that or you don't. You replied negatively when it was formulated harshly for the indies, and positively to the same thing when it was formulated nicely giving officials the caps. So you're not only unable to formulate what you actually want after the third time you're asked to do so, you're also incapable of answering consistently when offered multiple choice questions.

Either I want that or not, exactly. I can have my choice, but in the end I alone won't be the one deciding which one will be in effect. I expressed a negative approach based on one circumstance of the many when it was formulated harshly for the indies and expressed my opinion about what you wrote being a possible option when it was formulated nicely giving officials the caps. Believe it or not, but the world is far less black and white than how you try to picture it, regardless of how far you go at trying to twist my words.

Official factions decide what standards they want to set. Then they complain that indies aren't abiding by the standards that the officials set for themselves. Then some official guy tries to control them or screw them over as best as he can.

Such standards aren't that hard to follow, basically aren't more than what Jinx listed as well. Follow the ID and the Lore of the faction you have chosen for your character to roleplay as. But even many fail to do that. The indies who I met so far are either capable to uphold these standards or do not care about them at all. Are you trying to defend indies acting out of the lore of their characters, factions, breaking ID limitations? If an official faction does that, they can be held responsible far easier than a nameless individual, how would you make sure indies won't just rename and restart what they've been doing if they get caught and questioned?

Are many of these "standards" that official factions say they abide by, or are expected to abide by, actually detrimental to fun, and doing more harm than good?

Some sure are. But those standards sure weren't put in place by indy players.

I assume that was a rhetorical question as you were so eager to answer it yourself, trying to push your view more and more about how bad and evil official factions are. Or do you expect an answer to that question from anyone else?

The problem is that you keep repeating the same stuff about how you want fair treatment, but you don't say how you exactly you want to improve things. And when presented with multiple choice questions out of desperation to know what you actually want, you fail to even answer them consistently, and your answers would actually make things the opposite of fair.

The problem is that you fail to realize that fair treatment does not equal with officials being held responsible for their actions while indies aren't, but they all get mostly the same perks. I've answered your question way before you appeared in the thread, Karlotta, that you are too lazy to read back is not my problem.

Official factions HAVE control, over the direction the diplomacy goes, over who gets their rep adjusted, the higher-ups can even give order to indies as long as they aren't in contradiction to lore. With that power of control comes the responsibility to use it properly, inseparably.

Most of the diplomacy is still considered player-driven only and not strictly canon. Did I mention I still don't know if I can declare Councilmen collaborating with Outcasts traitors? Rephacks take a lot of effort to be carried out for little to no irreversible (or hardly reversible) effects, I already told you this too. You keep repeating yourslef just as how you claim I do without heeding my words.

Then why aren't you lobbying for that instead?

I believe I did in the past, in an other thread. Should you really care about the subject, you'd check it yourself, but no, you are obviously here to argue against official factions.

It prevents people like you from ruining the fun of a great number of players by deciding everything for them. Sadly, you and a lot of other people care too little for other people's fun, and care too much about your own sense of superiority that you get from your pixelworld, to be able to understand why these restrictions to faction power are needed.

It's been fun to debate with you, K. See you next time on an other alt of yours.

PS: Wait... you forgot to rant at Joe and Alley, don't forget that next time you come here. I almost didn't recognize you because of that.

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