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Vigilantes | General Information and Feedback
Offline Thyrzul
06-28-2014, 01:00 PM,
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(06-28-2014, 12:02 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: This wasn't said anywhere in the story.
(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote:
'Yeah.' Lionel took a smoke from his pipe. 'Bolshack was an incredibly influential person...

(06-28-2014, 12:02 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: He proposed a deal that would be very helpful to the Navy and risky to himself. Navy didn't have to spend taxpayers' money for building a cruiser and training. Bolshack would take responsibility for everything that would go wrong during Lionel's training process and had still to be available for assignments. Due to the fact, that tensions with Rheinland at that time weren't too high, his training could be finished in a year.

For that donation to fund a whole warship I guess the Navy have been grateful, but that still does not justify giving it away once the captain resigned from duty. It's not the LPI what you can buy for money, or a PMC, it's still a House Navy. And then if political tensions require quicker training, I'd expect less time spent on learning having a negative effect on performance. If normally learning things would require years, learning everything in a year seems to be... rushed... Is the decrease in performance a risk worthy to be taken by the Navy?

(06-28-2014, 12:02 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: This, again, was not said anywhere in the story.
(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote:
...and I had already proven myself as a pilot of a snub in the Academy. So with that, they agreed.

And oh well, they gave him a cap to train with. I didn't say he had no training, but if he already have the cap, he sure got it prior to training. Although I'd expect trainings to start with simulators, getting to real caps once the trainee shown some skills at not wrecking the ship in the first five minutes, but hey, this one was from his own cash, why shouldn't we let him waste it? Well... because of war, maybe?

(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: Have you ever taken an exam? Once you go to any kind of school or course, you are being taught something for a set period of time and then you have to pass an exam to get a certificate, admission or whatever. This was exactly a similar situation. Also note that Bolshack still was a naval commander that oversaw the whole training.

Where I live exams of such magnitude are overseen by multiple people, not just one or two, and I'd expect a Navy to make sure you have learnt everything you've been taught, and judge performance based on multiple reports about multiple patrols, operations, and various other kinds of duties. Not one mission on one occasion, witnessed by two people from which one is kinda concerned in the outcome. I'd expect the Navy to thoroughly examine the knowledge and skill of a trainee before sending them out to active duty. Bolshack being a naval commander isn't helping either, as he was responsible for Lionel, Lionel's success is in his favor, making him unable to be an objective judge during the exam.

(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: a) No, because this was a privately owned ship and therefore they couldn't just 'steal' it from him. If Lionel ever said that he leaves the Navy for good, it's the only moment they could take up the cruiser, but he never did.

Privately owned is the issue here. I don't think any Libertonian warship is a property of anybody else than the Liberty Navy, Liberty Security Forces, Liberty Police Inc. or the Liberty Government. As I said, it's not an open market vessel you can buy for only an amount of credits.

(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: b) He's not a civilian. He is still in the Navy, but not in active service. This cruiser is also facilely tracked by the Navy, so they still can access the information about its whereabouts at any point in time and communicate with it when it's not docked.
Up until this point I was convinced you intended to roleplay him quitting the Navy as all your roleplay seemed to support that, especially these:
(06-19-2014, 05:42 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: Archer decided to leave as well and take his Cruiser with him. Surprisingly, his superiors weren't causing him any problems.
(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote:
I was not limited by naval directives and whatnot.
Calling it civilian or not changes nothing on the fact that he is seemingly free of responsibility while commanding a capital grade warship. Allowing such to happen has never been, isn't and will never be in favor of House navies. The "foreign warship policies" included in house laws exist pretty much for keeping house space free from capital ships not controlled by the house navies.

But then if that's not the case, and he is simply in reserve, then say that. Learn the difference between resigned and in reserve. The first means he quit completely and out of the bounds of the navy, the second means he is currently not in active duty but still "limited by naval directives and whatnot". Although being in reserve still not justify considering the vessel a private property.

(06-27-2014, 08:34 PM)Vigilantes Wrote: c) Yeah, nobody, but the crew and pretty much anyone on the Norfolk shipyard where the cruiser is docked (this is a roleplay limitation, that Kosciusko can not be logged out anywhere except Norfolk).

Again, who orders the crew around? The commander of the ship or the Navy? Orders coming from each should not conflict eachother, which would be ensured by binding the captain to naval directives, but if you want to roleplay a captain free of them and create a situation where your preferences conflict the ones of the Navy, what would you do? How would you roleplay the crew, who's side they gonna take?

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Vigilantes | General Information and Feedback - by Vigilantes - 06-19-2014, 05:42 PM
RE: Vigilantes | General Information and Feedback - by Vigilantes - 06-19-2014, 05:43 PM
RE: Vigilantes | General Information and Feedback - by Sarawr!? - 06-19-2014, 06:05 PM
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RE: Vigilantes | General Information and Feedback - by Thyrzul - 06-19-2014, 07:34 PM
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