Discovery Mod

[Igiss]

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Ok, first it was Marsflyer. No one flies Marsflyer now because it was made weaker (even more weak with the latest beta when it lost 1200 of its hull). Now you complain about all new ships. I already discussed this with Denier: balance is one thing, removing ships is another.

I'll start with a quote from my newly favourite despair.com: "The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures". Jokingly of course, but let me post some quotes from the old times.

OFF TOPIC!!!: DO NOT DISS THE HUGGY SHIP! The Homeworld 2 ships are a good
thing. - gezza999

Homeworld ships are damn cool - Fire_Tzunami

Oh no plz! Not Star-Wars or StarTrek ships...
Personally I prefer the "Freelancer-Homeworld mod" idea... - Profile

What about ships(fighters and battleship) from Battlestar Galactica TV series? - also Profile (from his thread all the Battlestar stuff began)

YES GET SOME BATTLESTAR GLACTIA SHIPS IN. Even the battlestar itsself. Have it big cargo and lots of guns!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED TO SPICE UP DISCOVERY!!!!!!! - [SF]Just_Josh

I suppose the talon is quite fitting to FL. - Jamez

Let's see what Jamez said later in this thread. Oh. "1) The Talon is not 'fine'. It's a fighter Jet. NOT a spaceship."

All new ships were not my idea. Files for Talon and Battlestars were given to me by Wolfpack. Homeworld ships were proposed by Mantaray. Liberty Gunboat was included due to one of the member's suggesion, and it was alike for Slipstream. Of course, I did include all them into the mod because I thought they were appropriate for Discovery. And because I liked how they look, more or less. So I'm responsible for that, but including new ships was not my initiative. There were several ships that I found myself (freighters like Camara) but no one cares about those really. Raven Claw and Death Scythe were included because Firebase (creator of these ships) allowed me to use all his ships when I asked for Slipstream permission. So, why not use two best of about a dozen that he made?

So, basically, many of our forum members (and players) proposed to include new ships. People wanted new ships. Now you propose to remove them all, and everyone seems to agree. Where are those who wanted those ships? Those whom I quoted above and many other players? Maybe they should post a couple of lines too?

Next, there are a few misconceptions in Damned's first post. "IF there is a will we can easily get rid of those things without haveing much server probs." No we cannot. We'll have a wipe even if we remove one ship. Let alone all new ships that you listed, wipe is ensured then. You cannot force everyone to sell the ship, and there's no way to mass-change ships via any Freelancer server tools availalbe to use. As I'm not a huge fan of wipes (many wipe-loving players here?) I won't remove any of new ships.

Balance is another thing. I already made Slipstream and Raven weaker (less hull) for 5th beta. Even Talon has slightly weaker hull. So for the next verion (release probably) I'll make these ships even weaker if I get the proof that they actually outbalance fighters. Same for Battlestars. If they are really stronger than House battleships, I'll just remove 100 thousand of hull from both - this should help. But removing ships is not a good solution.

Those who don't want to use new ships have other options. NPCs don't use them. If there are balance problems, we should solve them. And, believe me, my only motivation is also benefit of all Discovery players.