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[kremmy]

I dislike paying monthly fees for online games, especially when it is so easy to permanently lose your ship, guns, everything you've worked for. Not sure how much grinding is involved, but it sounds like one of the few games that can possibly be worse than WoW for that factor.

Eve's one of the few games where you can partake in giant battles your first day, so you're wrong there. I started playing eve cause a few of my buddies from a forum needed an extra that night and could have me ready in time.

Also, What's with all the wow-grinding nonsense? They patched that out in 2007, to the point that unless you find something incredibly easy to kill you're losing out on experience by killing things over and over instead of questing and doing instances. The character I made in 2008 is at the "end" of the game and did exactly zero grinding.