The spirit of the discussion wasn't so bad. There are a lot of awkward ID issues around at the minute - namely the ton of "cannot ally with lawfuls/unlawfuls/quasilawfuls except XYZ" that hampers a ton of unlawful/quasilawful factions.
I mean yeah - in this case it was Kruger acting up again - but in a general sense, a ton of IDs have a lot of room for improvement.
Thank you, some feedback and possibly some inkling as to why this experiment existed - Tunicle