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PoB build outside house space are immune to siege after refusing to pay taxes. They are not immune to abiding laws laid down by government. LibGov has not taxed that Puerto Rico.
Congress is at court for two crimes - Cardamine Storage and Shooting down Primary Fleets.

When did they not intend to levy, tax, or exact restitution based on the raid? and how does the community rule not bar these actions? cause their not specifically named? is that your point?
The community rule establishes the houses abilities in regards to pob in houses space not in neutral space.
The ID protects the lsf,ln, and lpi on the in game raids that ID does not give them cartblanche to make rp violating our faction rights and or our territory since they have zero ability to tax or concern themselves with those bases. Tickling the elephant doesn't make it a fog horn.
And I understand you will disagree with this thats why I implored on a higher power to rule on this. because that's their damn job.

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the Congress that asked for the trial? Why would they make that request, if they were just going to declare it a mock trial later and ignore whatever outcome resulted from it? Just for the fun RP?
You have one side who acceded to Congress demands for a trial in the hopes of resolution, and then you have Congress who from all accounts states that the trial is nothing more than fun RP.
What's missing here is accountability for one's actions. It's great to have fun and enjoy yourself ingame, but negative actions have negative consequences. Does Congress reasonably expect to skate after shooting lawful ships? Do they expect Libgov to turn a blind eye to selling Cardamine on their POB, which does exist in House controlled space? Liberty government enforces law in house systems + 1 system beyond, which includes PR.
I have seen absolutely no accountability on the part of Congress in this matter. At least not from the posts I've read in your feedback thread. It's disappointing, honestly. I understand that not everything stated here by Congress members, is representative of Congress leadership. That's highly confusing and it creates unnecessary flames. It would be ideal, particularly in this case, to have only members of Congress who are authorized to speak on behalf of leadership, posting here.

Ex arbiters I think should have say in thier feedback thread
I rarely post like this but this mudslide has gone on long enough. Yes elements of the congress asked for a fair trial. But like i tried to say.. whats resulted? isn't, wasn't, and cannot be considered a real honest attempt at such a thing.

Putting more weight on whos at fault for the derailment of the thread is pointless its either an honest attempt at telling the story or its a farce and I dont think anyone is going to be happy with a farce. I mean lets be a little less accusatory about it and realize it needs to be handled better then this.
The accountability issue that you raise isn't so one sided in truth. there needs to be equal consideration and cooperation and if you dont have that pointing a finger at who screwed it up doesn't make it anymore legitimate or FIX THE PROBLEM.

The issue specifically i see in regards to the pob taxing issue is that libgov is cherry-picking their authority THIS THREAD They admit to not taxing these bases but where does it say they have the authority as a faction to ride into gaurd space and siege if we dont complay to thier demands? When they admit they have no authority to tax?
If you cant tax it you dont own it if you dont own it you have no claims. if you have no claims you have no power.

Again their ID lets them enforce liberty laws IN GAME IN the server. they did they seized cardamine in a sting. that's completely within thier ability the POB base system is straight forward it shoots whoever IFF is red (unless shenanigans) and deny docking who whom we prescribe.

but the problem here is the POB's are NOT transports or ships thier pob's and the pob's are protected by the community rules and clearly defined what territory libgov has to enforce its taxes upon and its retribution for not paying those taxes. Retribution or RULEs that can cause taxes levies and fines are the same thing dont tell me they aren't because

1. they aren't included in any permitted actions.

2. all the rule says is you cant tax. but it also bans actions related to demands for taxes. and guess what.. if you cant tax a thing you don't have the rights to harass it for anything else you deem. you cant MAKE UP authority where none exists. Piracy works this way according to the id and rules. and what i like to call reverse piracy or lawful rule enforceing is the same precedent of an attach int he rules its a DEMAND..

so if your house can not demand anything from bases not in house space why has this gone on so long?

Jesus there must be a misunderstanding! or a difference of opinion! WHY ISNT THIS BEING ADDRESSED FIRST INSTEAD OF THIS MEANINGLESS CRAP about WHO messed up WHAT thread?

I see a major conflict here and without admins to work THIS out into an interpretation that either green-lights libgov or denies it where going to continue having problems and conflict and issues in this feedback thread and with this whole fiasco IM BEGGING FOR ORDER here IM BEGGING for attention to this ISSUE.. and until its addressed nothing else matters.

A trial? yeah we requested a trial maybe its not the trial your thinking of bob maybe its the ruling on some of these faction rights and powers we have maybe we need a semblance of who powers what here. and why. cause all this crap has been spawned of ignorance.. libgov is just steam rolling ahead thinking thier ID includes power gaming other people bases and systems. well until you say yeah they can do that int he face of the concerns I don't think you can blame anyone in particular about that.. "accountability"

This is a loophole that needs to be patched and explained because im sure if anyone else had an ID that said do whatever you want even if the rules say you cant it would be easier then this. but they don't. there IS a conflict there is a precedent for SOME sort of ruling here.
If you disagree im sure you can see where this will go if you do not. It will only get worse.. there will be much more crap pulled in game and without and the blame game will just gyrate on and on and on.

Yes that is why im laying this all at the admins feet. and your non responses aren't helping.

I cannot agree that one factions id overrules the effective right to exsist and rp as we do. thats the bottom line here the pob rule hints at a limitation of libertys power, but if it turns out they can siege for lawful reasons and tax for lawful reasons and outmode our factions bases pob or otherwise then every pirate base is up for grabs.

you see where this cant be just a simple answer? this stuff needs to be carefully weighed and ruled upon.