The Order feedback

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http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...pid1665913

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[07.05.2015 19:02:09] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //we got reinforcements on our way,, I got a word to golli
[07.05.2015 19:02:11] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: akabat
[07.05.2015 19:02:17] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: 2 core bombers one manta
[07.05.2015 19:02:25] Order|Karmina.Burana: // I am your reinforcemnt PVP ace
[07.05.2015 19:02:28] Death: Glassfin was put out of action by 5th|John.Sader (Gun).
[07.05.2015 19:02:31] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: hurry
[07.05.2015 19:02:36] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: its 1 vs 3 right now for them
[07.05.2015 19:02:37] Order|CV-Tombstone: 15k up
[07.05.2015 19:02:53] Order|Karmina.Burana: What is the enemy
[07.05.2015 19:03:01] Order|CV-Tombstone: Core bomber and Core manta
[07.05.2015 19:03:15] Order|Karmina.Burana: I will go for the bomber and then then the manta
[07.05.2015 19:03:49] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //Did Jaeger died in PvP?
[07.05.2015 19:03:53] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: he did
[07.05.2015 19:03:54] Order|CV-Tombstone: To me ya
[07.05.2015 19:03:56] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: now hes in zeta
[07.05.2015 19:04:03] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: i think hes reengaging
[07.05.2015 19:04:06] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: hes coming this way
[07.05.2015 19:04:12] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: lets see
[07.05.2015 19:04:18] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //now another Jaeger come in..I told him to not dare to reenagge nad re respodned Reengage?
[07.05.2015 19:04:24] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //like..wtf?
[07.05.2015 19:04:41] Order|CV-Tombstone: Arbi, don't follow
[07.05.2015 19:04:41] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: shared bummers prolly
[07.05.2015 19:04:44] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: print his arrival if there will be any
[07.05.2015 19:04:55] Order|Karmina.Burana: Where are you guys
[07.05.2015 19:04:56] Order|CV-Tombstone: were 15k up John
[07.05.2015 19:05:18] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: cmon i need a buddy here
[07.05.2015 19:05:36] Order|Karmina.Burana: I am at akabat
[07.05.2015 19:05:40] Order|CV-Tombstone: Were not there
[07.05.2015 19:05:41] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: 1 more systemn to go
[07.05.2015 19:05:45] Order|Karmina.Burana: And i am going up and\
[07.05.2015 19:05:49] Order|CV-Tombstone: Were at F23
[07.05.2015 19:06:06] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //had the ideea is same guy..sorry
[07.05.2015 19:06:14] O'Rhu|CV-Goeth: isnt he the same guy?
[07.05.2015 19:06:17] Order|CV-Tombstone: Its not
[07.05.2015 19:07:01] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //location of fight?
[07.05.2015 19:07:15] Order|Karmina.Burana: Preparing to Assist the Order
[07.05.2015 19:07:18] Order|CV-Tombstone: Hellion: Hey Karma, get this bomber will you?
[07.05.2015 19:07:19] Order|Karmina.Burana: Death to the Core
[07.05.2015 19:07:27] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //i tihnk it was ame guy trying the old shared trik stuff..he backed off saying he iwll not come to not give more blue and f
[07.05.2015 19:07:35] Order|Karmina.Burana: Karmina: Just for you
[07.05.2015 19:07:54] Order|Karmina.Burana: Leave him to me
[07.05.2015 19:07:56] Zoomeranged: Arbi still holding?
[07.05.2015 19:08:15] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: I guess i pre heated the oven, huh?
[07.05.2015 19:08:18] Order|CV-Tombstone: Were doing well
[07.05.2015 19:08:35] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: omw...
[07.05.2015 19:08:56] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //I got that guy butthurt..he will go on feedback..crying aobut getting ganked in Mu...hahaha
[07.05.2015 19:09:05] Zoomeranged: getting ganked?
[07.05.2015 19:09:07] Zoomeranged: hah
[07.05.2015 19:09:14] Zoomeranged: he comes here to raid
[07.05.2015 19:09:19] Zoomeranged: and expects us to welcome him?
[07.05.2015 19:09:27] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Well, the dance is not over yet...might as well join it.
[07.05.2015 19:09:47] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Prepare to get boarded..ohh..wait that is big ships....
[07.05.2015 19:09:47] Zoomeranged: remind him on how they ganked us in zeta the last time
[07.05.2015 19:09:49] Order|CV-Tombstone: Wait..
[07.05.2015 19:09:56] Order|CV-Tombstone: Let Karma handle Max for now
[07.05.2015 19:10:35] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: *sighing* Ohh well....I;ve run my engine all the way up here for nothing it seems...
[07.05.2015 19:10:43] Order|CV-Tombstone: No quite
[07.05.2015 19:10:56] Order|CV-Tombstone: Over near the nebula, Vulture is fighting another
[07.05.2015 19:11:11] Order|CV-Tombstone: This one over here
[07.05.2015 19:12:18] Zoomeranged: excuse me
[07.05.2015 19:12:38] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: where are you arbi?
[07.05.2015 19:12:54] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: ed43 26k up
[07.05.2015 19:13:33] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Axisdeus: Moving in to intercept and assist.
[07.05.2015 19:13:37] Order|CV-Tombstone: *The commander leans foward, as if examing the fight from a distance*
[07.05.2015 19:14:03] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Axisdeus: finnaly i get something...
[07.05.2015 19:14:22] Don't use F1 or disconnect when interacting with other players.
[07.05.2015 19:14:32] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Axisdeus: You know..I;ve burnt my engines commign here..I anin't going ot stay and watch!
[07.05.2015 19:15:52] Death: Arnold_von_Limburg suffered a self-inflicted catastrophic decompression.
[07.05.2015 19:16:44] Death: Max.Powers suffered a self-administered loadout error (Mine).
[07.05.2015 19:16:52] Order|CV-Tombstone: Hellion: Nice one agent
[07.05.2015 19:16:56] Order|Karmina.Burana: That is one bird down
[07.05.2015 19:17:07] Order|Karmina.Burana: Thanks
[07.05.2015 19:17:11] Order|CV-Tombstone: John, if you need, go and repair.
[07.05.2015 19:17:18] Order|Karmina.Burana: Now where is the other bird
[07.05.2015 19:17:27] Order|Karmina.Burana: I am fine
[07.05.2015 19:17:30] Max.Powers: gf
[07.05.2015 19:17:32] Order|CV-Tombstone: Very well
[07.05.2015 19:17:34] Order|Karmina.Burana: GF
[07.05.2015 19:17:40] Order|Karmina.Burana: Where is the Core
[07.05.2015 19:17:46] Order|CV-Tombstone: Were closing on it now
[07.05.2015 19:17:57] Order|Karmina.Burana: Going to bring home two birds
[07.05.2015 19:18:59] Death: LR-Essentially.Anywhere suffered a self-administered loadout error (Missile/Torpedo).
[07.05.2015 19:18:59] Death: 5th|John.Armada was put out of action by LR-Essentially.Anywhere (Missile/Torpedo).
[07.05.2015 19:18:59] Death: 5th|Mark:Webb was put out of action by LR-Essentially.Anywhere (Missile/Torpedo).
[07.05.2015 19:19:09] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: D23
[07.05.2015 19:19:11] Order|Karmina.Burana: The manta is going to fall faster
[07.05.2015 19:19:22] Death: SSPOLICE was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[07.05.2015 19:20:15] Order|CV-Tombstone: Hellion: There Agent, I will remain on stand by as I detect no warships.
[07.05.2015 19:20:34] Order|Karmina.Burana: Fine, next bird is going to go down...O'rhu stand and watch
[07.05.2015 19:20:39] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: ax spam nukes
[07.05.2015 19:20:42] Death: Takeo.Massaki suffered a self-administered loadout error (Mine).
[07.05.2015 19:21:13] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: NOT LITERALY
[07.05.2015 19:21:50] Death: O'Rhu|WF-Vulture was put out of action by Core|Sapphire.Raven (Gun).
[07.05.2015 19:22:07] Death: Lielanthris suffered a self-inflicted catastrophic decompression.
[07.05.2015 19:22:57] Order|Karmina.Burana: Core here
[07.05.2015 19:23:03] Order|Karmina.Burana: Orhu let him on me
[07.05.2015 19:23:14] Core|Sapphire.Raven: oh wow you're pretty stupid aswel
[07.05.2015 19:23:25] Core|Sapphire.Raven: too dumb to tell the differences too
[07.05.2015 19:23:37] Order|CV-Tombstone: Raneb, please let the Karma handle htis for a bit
[07.05.2015 19:23:45] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: As you wish
[07.05.2015 19:23:50] Order|CV-Tombstone: Thank you
[07.05.2015 19:24:36] Order|CV-Tombstone: If he contiunes to flee, just take him out
[07.05.2015 19:24:41] Order|CV-Tombstone: *she
[07.05.2015 19:24:55] Order|Karmina.Burana: Come here
[07.05.2015 19:25:37] Order|Karmina.Burana: Come here coward
[07.05.2015 19:27:30] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //I do not get this stuff really..is bull if you ask me..they will nto give you fair fight...
[07.05.2015 19:27:43] Order|CV-Tombstone: Thats the Core for ya
[07.05.2015 19:28:00] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //and they will even write tons of crypages now about how we gankedthem
[07.05.2015 19:28:15] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: another core logged in..Now I go in?
[07.05.2015 19:28:27] Order|CV-Tombstone: Ask Karma
[07.05.2015 19:28:42] Order|CV-Tombstone: Actually, just do it
[07.05.2015 19:28:48] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: If that is the care..I am out...
[07.05.2015 19:29:07] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: axis, help karmina
[07.05.2015 19:29:41] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Axisdeus: Tha is enough fun
[07.05.2015 19:29:43] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: nod is on the way so the faster you take out this one
[07.05.2015 19:29:50] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: the less chances theyre getting
[07.05.2015 19:29:54] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: just do it
[07.05.2015 19:29:57] Order|CV-Tombstone: Pff, I'm camping the jump hole
[07.05.2015 19:30:03] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: Axisdeus: Let;s end it over with already!
[07.05.2015 19:30:04] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: totally
[07.05.2015 19:30:04] Order|CV-Tombstone: He won't get far
[07.05.2015 19:30:12] Core|Sapphire.Raven: Pathetic
[07.05.2015 19:30:14] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: you see anything in range blast it
[07.05.2015 19:30:18] Order|Karmina.Burana: Stay out
[07.05.2015 19:30:50] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //Well now for sure I am out...get pwned in peace
[07.05.2015 19:31:14] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: As you wish....good hunt!
[07.05.2015 19:31:23] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: a what?
[07.05.2015 19:31:53] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //nodviet come..and he told me ot saty out of the fight, again..I ma out of this...got better things to do than to see-
[07.05.2015 19:31:59] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //testosteron drama
[07.05.2015 19:32:26] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //bye, I will log off now and prepare for some Feedback drama
[07.05.2015 19:32:50] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: //axis where you going man?
[07.05.2015 19:32:54] O'Rhu|WF-Vulture: help john lol
[07.05.2015 19:33:09] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //to Taba..he told me to leave him alone...trow times
[07.05.2015 19:33:21] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //I ain't going to ruin his fun now..
[07.05.2015 19:33:36] Order|CV-Tombstone: *She looks back and rolls her eyes* Apparently the Core don't know the worder fair...
[07.05.2015 19:33:45] Order|CV-Tombstone: *word
[07.05.2015 19:34:02] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //Guess I should coem bakc now? Nodviet is in?
[07.05.2015 19:34:09] Order|CV-Tombstone: He's not yet
[07.05.2015 19:34:10] Death: Core|Sapphire.Raven was put out of action by Order|Karmina.Burana (Mine).
[07.05.2015 19:34:15] Order|CV-Tombstone: Well done...
[07.05.2015 19:34:20] Core|Erik.Nodtviet: I'll finish it off
[07.05.2015 19:34:26] Core|Erik.Nodtviet: Engaging target.
[07.05.2015 19:34:38] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //Well..I will run him a little but od not expect much
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[07.05.2015 19:34:53] Order|CV-Tombstone: Karma got Sapp
[07.05.2015 19:35:03] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: I saw...
[07.05.2015 19:35:39] Death: Order|Karmina.Burana was put out of action by Core|Erik.Nodtviet (Gun).
[07.05.2015 19:35:46] O'Rhu|WF-Bizarre: axis, really.
[07.05.2015 19:35:46] Order|Karmina.Burana: // i told ya 2 birds
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[07.05.2015 19:36:02] O'Rhu|WF-Bizarre: why didnt you go aaand help him?
[07.05.2015 19:36:09] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //he asked me ot leave
[07.05.2015 19:36:13] Order|Karmina.Burana: // i told you big kidd axis to stay out near me/..
[07.05.2015 19:36:15] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //multiple times
[07.05.2015 19:36:25] Order|Karmina.Burana: i asked to let me kill him but i knew somebody will come to me
[07.05.2015 19:36:34] Order|Karmina.Burana: So you just one tast and trhat is to stay nearby
[07.05.2015 19:36:45] Order|Karmina.Burana: Well we are still over them with two kills
[07.05.2015 19:36:51] Order|Karmina.Burana: I did good, didn;t i shiz
[07.05.2015 19:36:59] O'Rhu|WF-Bizarre: john, is this the first time youre fighting core?
[07.05.2015 19:36:59] Order|CV-Tombstone: You did amazing
[07.05.2015 19:37:10] Order|CV-Tombstone: Dont jump
[07.05.2015 19:37:16] Order|Karmina.Burana: Yeah, nerer fought tyhe core
[07.05.2015 19:37:26] O'Rhu|WF-Bizarre: cause soon enough you'll realise they dont deserve fair treatment
[07.05.2015 19:37:59] Order|Karmina.Burana: i am ace of principle, i do give anyone a fair fight, but from know i will make sure they wont get it
[07.05.2015 19:38:00] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //Mate...do not go all that big kidd whatver...soon enough..you will udnerstand why..when they get rompped they cry over fos
[07.05.2015 19:38:04] O'Rhu|WF-Bizarre: stay out clay lemme get him
[07.05.2015 19:38:10] O'Rhu|WF-Raneb: //when they gank you thy call it fair and deal with it
[07.05.2015 19:38:14] Shutdown

Reading that made me sad.

Generally from my experience the Omicrons really aren't the most fair-friendly region in disco. Strategically they are balanced though, which is something that can be lived with, as it doesn't hamper the fun of the fights too much. Personally, regardless whether I like it or not, I've grown to accept that ganking in the Omicrons is sadly a necessity. Whether Core makos are getting dumped on by 6 AI Cruisers, or there are 6 Ossies waiting on the other side of a jump hole, or if there's a wave of Corsairs coming at us from Gamma, I've pretty much grown to accept that this is the norm in the Omicrons. However, I've made it a rule within the faction that we will only gank if we are being ganked, or have been ganked previously, or if we need to gank for srategy/tactical reasons. Otherwise I try to ensure fair fights if I can.

Fortunately, Thanatos have given me a peer into Order group communications, and I get to see things from your side (I don't really get the opportunity to fly my Order ships, as I generally need to log Core to motivate the faction and guide them). What I am observing is a poor and somewhat disgruntled attitude, which stems from a root problem that I established in the above paragraph.

Of course it must be stated that when it comes to capital ships it's a lot more messy to balance a fight as capital ships are more about strategy than direct combat as you would find in snubcraft. On that note though I would like to see O'Rhu fly snubs more often. When you mostly log caps it's a lot harder to bring a more balanced force into the fray. Personally I'd love to see more snub fights in the Omicrons, as they seem to be in short supply. Perhaps next time you see Core ships log in that aren't caps or gunboats, you guys could do the same and log something in of a similar class?

On the subject of system raids, yes those are very hard to balance. Often Core just logs all it can and heads straight to Mu and idles whilst we wait for something to log in. We never know what we're going to face, so it's best to over-prepare than under-prepare.

In conclusion, these are just some words to heed. Personally I don't really mind ganking. It's just a part of disco that you have to deal with, live with and ultimately accept and do yourself sometimes. Fully removing ganking from all our fights is probably an impossibility, though I think we can all do better to ensure that not every fight will end up with a gank

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