Liberty Navy [LN] Feedback Thread

[Mímir]

@Mimir - those talks don't happen on the level of President to Terrorist Leader, not really. It's more like: US Military commander (Maybe a General, maybe somebody well below, like a Captain) leading troops into a village known to support insurgent forces, and speaking with the tribal councils there, trying to discern what it is that they want/need in order to be convinced to see that the US/whatever local government we're there supporting, really is the best way forward, even if it isn't perfect.

And/or yes, threatening them, telling them that their cause is meaningless etc.

When this is successful, what it accomplishes is that it takes away mid level and sometimes high level people, and lots of foot soldiers and low level people, from these anti-government forces, and puts them at least on neutral terms with the local governments, and in some cases even turns them into pro-government militia forces, who then fight their former compatriots.

There's plenty of available source material for you to read regarding that.

Well I never questioned that. Of course that is a given. That's why all militaries employ interpreters. And you are also right that these practical talks are not carried out by generals, admirals and the likes. It's lower level.

I question if military officials would denounce or criticize the US and its institutions during those talks, and you really do need to back that up with evidence if you are going to hold on to that particular statement.

EDIT:

This frequently happens. During the Liberty/Rheinland war, we would often see Rogues, Xenos or even Lane Hackers siding with the LN against Rheinland forces... Likewise the Hessians and Unioners would often fight alongside the RM, even to the point of launching attacks into Liberty at the same time. Additioanlly, the Libertonians have long been neutral with the Blood Dragons, GC and Bundschuh among others. Not everything is painted in shades of black and white - or rather, red and green.

I think allegiances and affiliation is a slightly different topic than what we are discussing here. Also, at that time everything allied against the evil RNC that was destroying the community and never cared for roleplay - even Bounter Hunter ID players were shooting krauts. In fact, I had an admin show up to launch a pre-emptive assault on our fleet of idling RNC caps in Texasburg, warning us all about impending doom and sanctions while we were doing nothing but sitting still 20K off plane, scratching our bums.

You'll have to forgive me, but I see that more of a result of a mob-like oorp mentality than as roleplay.

But that is precisely what they are... A starting point, from which things can change and alter. This is the nature of social storytelling... That people will pull threads out in different directions, altering and changing the fictional makeup of the setting and their characters' place within it.

Well that's swell, but how does it work when one individual player subscribes to their own personal interpretation in the larger setting? If say, I was to decide that 9 year old admirals really is a possibility - I mean, who knows? It's 900 years into the future, why couldn't they have developed a drug that boosts development of the brain? I mean, why wouldn't they? Catgirl - why not? Gene-therapy, mixing human and cat DNA. It could happen. 900 years is a long time.

How are we all supposed to deal with each other and our roles if things are so random? When I write stories about my catgirl or my 9 year old admiral, I force them upon other players even though it is never my intention - especially if I am an official faction member. There's that thing about responsibility when you are an official faction member, and I think part of that is also the responsibility to respect the wider setting, rather than my own personal desires.

How many times have people with a similar attitude to the one you hold regarding official factions, berated those official factions about "restricting the roleplay freedom of indies - they should be allowed to do things you see as illogical, because you have no authority over them." ?

Well I can't answer for others, but I never advocated for indies' rights to "[...] be allowed to do things you see as illogical, because you have no authority over them." I advocated for indies' right to carry out their roleplay when it is equally or less dumb than the official faction's. I don't think that's so preposterous.

What gives you the right to question this, while other people do not have the right to question it? I know that I certainly do not have the authority to question anything that falls within the "close enough" range... So why do you?

Ok to be fair Joe, you can hardly say that you don't think you have the authority to question stuff, as you have certainly done so quite heavily in several discussions we've both been involved in. In fact, you haven't even questioned things, you've flat out labelled and judged things. The RNC thing was a good example, I was part of that on the other side, and you made quite a lot of judgements, assumptions and labelling, and you seemed like you felt justified to do so. I don't think that is justified, but I do think that all of us - as community members and players on the server - have the authority to question just about anything. I thoroughly believe that the only way to improve is to receive feedback. In that light, questions is in my opinion the best MO as it prompts you to think for yourself.

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