Harvester

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ScornStar, that's why we have pirates and terrorists. Pirates who attack random traders without discrimination, and terrorists who do the same.

What you are proposing is different from that.

Your actions are forcing a peaceful faction(the Zoners) to militarize, because your targets are extremely specific. A lot of the people you're targeting are not the Zoner ID whores. Frankly, for me to accept your proposal, you're going to have to seriously broaden your spectrum of enemies.

Let me clarify with a metaphor. In the United States, we once had "hippies," peace loving people. We did not have an organization targeted at killing these people. Sure, these people still got mugged, assualted, attacked, killed, robbed, and raped by random criminals, but they weren't specifically targeted.

Don't force the Zoner's ingame RP to change based on your personal RP...

Elgato, I know your reply is directed at Scornstar, but i'll repeat this since you don't seem to understand and or didn't read the previous posts stating these things.

Zoner's are not the primary targets, Zoners are no longer specifially targeted or hunted, and nowdays "most" encounters with Zoners are "chance" meetings. Zoner Traders were largely left alone even when they were being targeted. I've stated this twice now, and Scornstar has stated this aswell. There is also current RP going on where the machines have asked Zoners to help to "fix" a problem with thier "code".

Machine targets and enemies, this is easy, don't shoot at them and they prolly won't shoot at you. Unless youve given them reason to in the past.

So it seems clear to me that either you havent read many posts, havent been in-game around them, you simply have selective sight when reading posts, or you have no clue whats going on with rp between the two groups. Don't take this as an insult, its just that you keep bringing up a point that has allready been answered and is being resolved in RP.

As far as forcing a "peacefull" faction to militarize. 2 points about this.

1. Angels are "neutral" and get no breaks: Nomads, Keepers, and Phantoms are still hostile and will attack, but they don't specifically target the angels.
2. Traders are "peacefull" and get no breaks: Pirates are hostile and will attack them. They are "forced" to militarize by hiring escorts, buying better guns, ect ect.

Why should Zoners get special attention when not a single other group on this server does?

Like i stated before, Zoners aren't being specifically targeted anymore and even if they were. What your suggesting is special treatment in my opinion. Most Zoners are in capships (destroyer) and thus were allready "militirized" if you ask me.

Hypothetical situation:
Harvesters make Zoners the #1 enemy and KoS all Zoner ID'ed ships. (in rp ofcourse)

-- Is this any different than the order having BH as #1 enemy? NO.
-- Is this any different than humans in general (not just militaries) being the #1 enemy of nomads? NO.
-- If this were true and they did what you suggest, wouldnt that be "forcing" Zoner RP on the Harvesters, just as you say they force it on the Zoners now.


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However Elgato, i do agree with you that the reputation listing is a bit vague right now. But isnt that the point of these posts, to iron these things out with other people so that everyone is happy?

PS: Scorn, you need to update the main post more often to reflect changes and suggestions that are implemented.

EDIT: The hippy comment: Yes there was "still is" an organisation for dealing with "hippies", it's called the U.S. government, and they may not have killed them outright, they didnt hesitate to thrown them in jail, beat them, or spray them with water cannons or pepper spray. Not some random people, or some terrorists, THIER OWN GOVERNMENT did it.