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[ScornStar]

Ok if I have trader and want that vinella feel, and want to move Nomad brains and cannons to Cambridge through the Alaska Jump gate, how many player factional p[roblems will I potentially encounter?

If I just want to fly around in a Britonian ship with Nomad cannons and and hunt blood dragons, what problems are we going to encounter there?

My point is vinella is long gone. Forget it we came here because vinella was boreing. It has played out. Now if we fear a new faction because it is different and only allow factions that have NPC counter parts then we are stagnateing and becomeing boreing.

Now the Zoners carry guns and have big scary ships for a reason. Its because they live mostly in the edgeworlds were anything can happen and the unknown is possible. In unknown case chances are you may have to defend your self, thus guns. Zoners are not our only targets they just have the lion's portion of the RP.

Rp that even now is being addressed within the Zoner council (give it a read they have good chats and are entertaining) The TAZ message dumps have some good chewing gum for the mind as well. So, the ZOner seem to be on top of thier bussiness.

Now if we stayed a group we would not have as much to lose for misuse of our RP, if we stayed just a group we could do many things that are irresponsible yet with in server rules with no recourse. But by being a faction we have more to lose and more incentive to keep things civil on a personal level.

The only way we will cease targeting Zoners is through RP. No amount of ooRP chats will change that. And as a matter of a fact the Harvesters havent hunted a single ZOner in week. Ask the Zoners.

Next one side says enemies "too specific changeing play" and on the other side "too many enemies PVP whores" Sorry the Zoner NPC and player are integral to the creation of this back story. They are like peanut butter and jelly.

As a Zoner you have two things that will help you. Your guns and your comm channel. Now while our enemies list may be small. That by no means, indicates that we get to fly where we want. We get attacked by pirates, police, traders, terrorist, militaries, Nomads, Outcast, and resistance groups. Further more when we are attacked they ussually get the first volley as we have to make a show of RPing to show we are not PVP whores only. Then the next time we encounter them or another of our units encounters them, they attack immediately after saying "commence harvest".

Zoners are not a "hello-goodbye immune to PVP", RP faction, they live in the same "liveing" sector as the rest of our characters.

New Zoners are ussually left alone, PMed to check the forums ZOner council page, I'm sure you have nothing wrong with trying to get more to the forums. Also they are given a brief sum up so, if they dont read the forums they will understand the next meeting.

What better way to get folks to the forums than to invite them to be apart of something they can only learn about on the forums, if we stay vinella all the way then this place will get old fast. With folks just throwing together half harted stories to excuse thier use of their favorite ship.

At least with an element of the unknown (unique characters and stories) even the vinella factions have something to look forward to. not just the same unresolvable wars, unending unchangeing turf fights, and same lane to police and pirate. I like to see something new. Things like the Keepers, while I know little about them, and the Phantoms, and SCRA, and CR, and CYLONS were all intreging to me because I had no idea what they were.

I never heard of Battlestar Galactica before I came here. So, that was neat to learn of them. Besides if things keep going the way they are the CR will have a new AI to battle. Since the CYLONs went unofficail and merged with the Harvesters.

Anyway I think the ZOners are fine. If you want an untouchable character play a neutral. Nuff said, ZOners are targets till they RP us off thier backs. (which they are now)

Thank you for posting here and allowing me to respond.

Elgato, I know your reply is directed at Scornstar, but i'll repeat this since you don't seem to understand and or didn't read the previous posts stating these things.

Zoner's are not the primary targets, Zoners are no longer specifially targeted or hunted, and nowdays "most" encounters with Zoners are "chance" meetings. Zoner Traders were largely left alone even when they were being targeted. I've stated this twice now, and Scornstar has stated this aswell. There is also current RP going on where the machines have asked Zoners to help to "fix" a problem with thier "code".

Machine targets and enemies, this is easy, don't shoot at them and they prolly won't shoot at you. Unless youve given them reason to in the past.

So it seems clear to me that either you havent read many posts, havent been in-game around them, you simply have selective sight when reading posts, or you have no clue whats going on with rp between the two groups. Don't take this as an insult, its just that you keep bringing up a point that has allready been answered and is being resolved in RP.

As far as forcing a "peacefull" faction to militarize. 2 points about this.

1. Angels are "neutral" and get no breaks: Nomads, Keepers, and Phantoms are still hostile and will attack, but they don't specifically target the angels.
2. Traders are "peacefull" and get no breaks: Pirates are hostile and will attack them. They are "forced" to militarize by hiring escorts, buying better guns, ect ect.

Why should Zoners get special attention when not a single other group on this server does?

Like i stated before, Zoners aren't being specifically targeted anymore and even if they were. What your suggesting is special treatment in my opinion. Most Zoners are in capships (destroyer) and thus were allready "militirized" if you ask me.

Hypothetical situation:
Harvesters make Zoners the #1 enemy and KoS all Zoner ID'ed ships. (in rp ofcourse)

-- Is this any different than the order having BH as #1 enemy? NO.
-- Is this any different than humans in general (not just militaries) being the #1 enemy of nomads? NO.
-- If this were true and they did what you suggest, wouldnt that be "forcing" Zoner RP on the Harvesters, just as you say they force it on the Zoners now.
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However Elgato, i do agree with you that the reputation listing is a bit vague right now. But isnt that the point of these posts, to iron these things out with other people so that everyone is happy?

PS: Scorn, you need to update the main post more often to reflect changes and suggestions that are implemented.

EDIT: The hippy comment: Yes there was "still is" an organisation for dealing with "hippies", it's called the U.S. government, and they may not have killed them outright, they didnt hesitate to thrown them in jail, beat them, or spray them with water cannons or pepper spray. Not some random people, or some terrorists, THIER OWN GOVERNMENT did it.

Hey if I missed something please PM me what you think I've missed. I'm very busy but I do not want to disappoint.

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