The JUNKER CONGRESS

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A few quick points...

1) Just because it's sold there doesn't mean it's kosher RP to mount it. For instance, by your logic, Samura RPers could mount Liberty Vengeance Mk5's, since it's sold on Kurile. I don't really see the need for you to mount Zoner weapons. EDIT: Also, please tell me that you are going to restrict the number of weapons that can be mounted on Junker ships that originate from other factions? e.g.) Max 2 Rogue guns on a Collector, etc...

2) Ship restrictions: Good, but can you be more concrete as to the number you will have? (Besides the RH Cap)

3) Change the Names of your Ranks: Frankly, your ranks make you seem like members of some elite enclave... When you have Junkers going around speaking in perfectly english addressing their leaders with titles like "Arbiter" or "Adjudicator," it seems to depart from the RP of the Junkers. I'm not telling you to RP as hillbillies, but to pick "laxer" titles.

The Junkers, if you read rumors and news, are a backstabbing, disorganized lot. Even if the Junker Congress consists of more refined members, you really can't change years of nurture.

4) I find the scientists and researcheres part slightly unbelieveable, but then again, totally possible. Go for it.

5) A barely important note...The Firefly seems to be okay for junker usage, but for future reference, you can't just let someone use a ship because they like it. Your current shiplist is fine, I just wanted to point that out in case it happens in the future, if you are approved.

Godspeed and Good luck!

I was trying to keep it as simple as possible but lets work on this...

I like the idea of capship limits--there is no need for "everybody" to have one. How about we just solve the entire problem there and say that the Junker Congress only allows only ONE battleship to be owned with by its membership, representing the faction, with leadership approval. If players want to fly a battleship of their own they can have another character do so. I think its more productive to do this than to have the strife caused with other groups and players. So done.

This seems to be the only sticking point with most other players outside the Congress and I'd accept it as a good compromise. This way, it's really only a RP vessel--not a concern over which player gets what and how many.

As to cruisers, I would still say the Pirate Rheinland Cruiser or Rheinland cruiser are acceptable as player choices but to keep it playable, let's restrict it to a set number one cruiser per Junker base under direct control of the adjudicator there.

So the amended rules allow ONE Rheinland battleship to be held with approval of the "Arbiters" and stationed in Puerto Rico only and ONE cruiser each at Kruzberg, Rochester, Beaumont, Yanagi, Bornholm and Trafalgar and ownable only by the current base adjudicator there. Furthermore, I'd require these cruisers could not move beyond the 2km ZOI imposed around our bases.

I'll amend and add a "cruiser/battleship play guidelines" section but those are the general ideas as stated above.

I think limiting other faction weapons use to two such weapons per ship is fine and that will be amended. (that would not include codes, Junker or civilian weapons or those commonly available to all factions).

The Firefly is used for smuggling and its the only ship sold by houses specifically that I'd see Junkers using (and for that reason and that it was liked, I added it). My bad not elaborating more on that.

Junkers are not all the same. Junkers in the "Guard" have a different function than those in the general population and the reason there is a backstory rp group, The "Junker Guard Party" is to make the point and paint the picture that those junkers who initiated and pushed through the Congress idea think and act on a little grander scale than the average Junker worker on the scrap lines every day trying to make a living.

They are a little elitist and idealistic and their interests, language, tastes and affectations will show that.

look at my avatar--its a caricature of a "Centauri" from "Babylon 5". We aren't playing B5 or Centauri's here but the mindset is similar. these are junkers who have embraced change and hunger to see more to Junker life than simply working hard from the cradle to the grave. they want to see what the Junkers have done become a legacy.

If you look at real life "guards" factions as in Iran or Iraq and elsewhere, they are idealist groups that use military, religious and political goals and status as banners under which to direct their society. They are always "elitist' groups. The most noble are those that serve like the palace guards in England or the Roman Legion before it became involved in politics but the range goes all the way from unquestioning loyalty and submission to government to those that run their governments (usually by proxy for a fascist like leader).

Only the "real people" the average everyday Joe's with mouths to feed and those observant intellectuals willing to publicly dissent, keep factions such as this in check normally. But it is the "smartness" and "regalness" and confidence of such groups that allows them to be accepted and even embraced by their populaces as well.

Dreygon's view OOC is also the sort of view in-character that checks the Congress/Guards and keeps them from running amuck. Also the average worker--the masses that don't want to risk or lose what they have. It is a balance--which is a concept the Congress embraces.

So the Guards pushes for "more" for Junker society but traditionalists and the common man keep it from going to far. The Congress rules--rather than the Junker Guards Party itself--to keep that balanced intact.

Regarding the name, Oniros and I went over that a bit and a few others too.

What I said above is reflected in those titles a bit but also the "working class" values of Junkers.

Arbiters are what we have here in family courts and between unions and management to settle differences--quite appropriate.
Adjudicators are "judges" but usually with limited scope.

My wife is a "claims adjudicator" at work. She makes final rulings and decisions on what gets paid and what doesn't. But she can't resolve civil or legal matters.

Both these terms are used in business today and business is what greatly defines the Junkers.

We threw out tiles as, "President", "Judges", "Governors" because we didn't t think Junkers themselves would be comfortable with powerful titles and people holding them.

Lol--I would much rather type, "Gov." than "adjudicator".

Last point--all Junkers wouldn't be scientists, etc. just the cream of the elite--those most influential in the Junker Guards party. They are the ones who "invented" the Junker Congress.

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