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Zoners - why they do exist?
Offline sindroms
11-29-2015, 09:33 PM,
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(11-29-2015, 05:04 PM)FluffReborn Wrote: Note, it's not a rant, but a serious political question.

While I do believe they would live relatively peaceful in Omicrons (but then, we have people here who wouldn't be happy with a station which supplies everyone, even the enemies - so situation repeats sooner or later), I'm not pretty sure why Zoners do exist and are allowed between the House Spaces. Just why?

House Authorities are aware that Zoners may shelter criminals. If I was in possession of such a information, I'd completely ban Zoner activity if necessairy and erase every station from inter-house space. In case of Bering, Liberty Navy claims Freeport 2 and renames it, as system is already theirs. In case of Kepler - simply nuke the station, since Kusari wouldn't be happy about Liberty base in a buffor system. BAF ought to do the same with Freeport 1 in Omega-3, since it's obvious that Zoners DO shelted and resupply Corsairs - the vile enemy of Bretonian crown.

My sincere question is: what stops House Authorities to ban Zoner stations from space between houses?



So I kept my eye on this thread for a bit and, apart from being a massive bait, I will admit that it brings up a few interesting facts about this faction.



However, the more I read the replies, the more I want to point a few things out, given the fact that I myself had spent a few good months working on a zoner character a few years back. First of all, the overall idea of Zoners is that they are an attempt to shy away from the rules and regulations of houses and their politics, a group of like minded individuals trying to remain neutral in an otherwise very hostile environment, especially the further ''east'' on our universe map you go.

The problem with the Zoner lore and RP is that people tend to miss that one very important word in the summary above. "Attempt". I am pretty sure they did not take long to realize that being neutral and independent from anything would not work. Otherwise they would physically not have gotten any of the ships they utlize now.
The Zoners, in their essence, are an overall failed attempt to try to reach those establish goals and the groups and characters should begrudgingly know that deep down inside. That alone would make the whole group more interesting as a RP platform in by itself. Still, this is not the point of the topic, so let me address the main question at hand here:

Quote:I'm not pretty sure why Zoners do exist and are allowed between the House Spaces. Just why?

As we look at Discovery, we tend to look through game mechanics. This is something a lot of our players tend to forget, be it during RP on the server or as they write stories on the forum. The distances between houses are huge. For you it might be ''two jumps'', but ingame they are meant to be pictured much longer and much more dangerous than you can imagine, given the fact that the only actual portrayed threat are some level 5 npcs disrupting the lanes.

This is not like walking across the street to the store.

The space between houses is huge, which is why the borders are so very hard to establish or to regulate. Think about it. We portray the borders between Kusari and Liberty as who the lanes belong to between the jump gates. But think about it - those lanes are literally a ''line'' going from A to B. Nobody actually has control over anything outside of that location, if there was anything worth controlling, anyway.

Heck, just to prove a point, our characters live in an universe, where a company that ships food and oxygen need to hire, supply and utilize personnel with military background just to run them alongside convoys. Distance is something Freelancer never could explain well and the dangers that you encounter moving between each and every station and solar object.

The reason why nobody cares about those freeports is BECAUSE they are so far away. If either house would want to commit resources patrolling empty space, the taxpayers would not be amused. That is why freeports are, for the lack of a better word, a necessary evil in their eyes. It is because they provide shelter for traffic between the houses that the local forces do not need to stress themselves to acquire more efforts for those border systems.

That and also even if they did, having a borderworld filled with sizable amounts of military forces from two houses would NOT be fun for either side. Especially when one is known to be under the Gallic boot.

And last but not least, specifically for the criminal sheltering argument, is that unlike the hidden pirate bases and whatnot, the authorities at least know where freeports are. If they want to catch someone, there is no better honeypot.
Also, you need to remember that we are talking about individual criminals basing off one station, so smiting them is not a problem. Just because we are used to perceiving it as 20 player cap raids basing off a freeport, does not mean it happens IRP.




Those would be my two cents. Take them for what they are worth.

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Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 05:04 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Lythrilux - 11-29-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Timmy - 11-29-2015, 05:23 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Lythrilux - 11-29-2015, 05:30 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Tunicle - 11-29-2015, 05:27 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 05:31 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Timmy - 11-29-2015, 05:29 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by ilovesin - 11-29-2015, 05:29 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Croft - 11-29-2015, 05:30 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Jack_Henderson - 11-29-2015, 05:34 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Timmy - 11-29-2015, 05:35 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 05:38 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Pavel - 11-29-2015, 05:40 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 05:43 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The.Wizard - 11-29-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Jack_Henderson - 11-29-2015, 05:40 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The.Wizard - 11-29-2015, 05:41 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Lythrilux - 11-29-2015, 05:44 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Pavel - 11-29-2015, 05:46 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Timmy - 11-29-2015, 05:48 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by jammi - 11-29-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 05:53 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Jack_Henderson - 11-29-2015, 05:57 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Timmy - 11-29-2015, 05:58 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 06:04 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Doria - 11-29-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Doria - 11-29-2015, 06:08 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Stoner_Steve - 11-29-2015, 06:10 PM
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RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Lythrilux - 11-29-2015, 06:42 PM
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RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by nOmnomnOm - 11-29-2015, 06:36 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 06:38 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by nOmnomnOm - 11-29-2015, 06:40 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Whalers Guild - 11-29-2015, 06:35 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by nOmnomnOm - 11-29-2015, 06:39 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by jammi - 11-29-2015, 06:47 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Stoner_Steve - 11-29-2015, 06:40 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 06:47 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 06:52 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by pillow - 11-29-2015, 07:31 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Enkidu - 11-29-2015, 09:27 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by pillow - 11-29-2015, 09:34 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Thyrzul - 11-29-2015, 09:41 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Karst - 11-29-2015, 09:24 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by The Savage - 11-29-2015, 10:02 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by sindroms - 11-29-2015, 09:33 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by Jack_Henderson - 11-29-2015, 10:25 PM
RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by |nfrared - 11-29-2015, 11:50 PM
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RE: Zoners - why they do exist? - by sindroms - 11-30-2015, 09:04 AM
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