Zoners - why they do exist?

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I was hoping that pointing out an example I find to suit Zoner RP best would also be seen as a subtle suggestion on which direction to improve general Zoner Roleplay, you know, as a possible fix to "supposed current problem with zoner rp".

There's not so much a problem (unless you count the fact that there's not much to do on the actual ID courtesy of heavy nerfage) with the Zoners as there is with the attitude of people with problems of there being a Zoner faction in the game with a complete shipline.

As an OP, I request closing this thread or simply erase posts with ooRP rage and off-topic things.

You ever going to respond to those posts which addressed your point? Or just ignore them?

A big problem I've found with quasi lawfuls in general is that they try to be more relevant than they actually are. This causes them to take a very unrealistic approach to diplomacy.

That irony.

Noted. (For the next time Core thinks it's Sirius Police.)

I'm sorry that only the CW operated the way you wanted them to. Who was in charge of that? Ed? I can barely remember what factions he was in.

Would you rather have it that I declare Sirius wide Zoner Jihad? Because many times I've come very close due to the way diplomacy has progressed (in the vein bad of bad examples I mentioned earlier). I'm under no obligation to heed the ham-fisted demands of Zoners, as much as you might believe I need to :}

And I mean it's not just me who thinks CW are the best attempt at Zoners we've had in the past several years. Ask most people and they'll think the same. Even if you barely remember who he was, he still had a better grip on Zoner RP than you do. I think TAZ are alright but CW were better at hitting the nail on the head. OSI... doesn't really seem that Zonery.

If you could, you would. Roleplay about supply lines means nothing to someone who wants to powergame out of their faction limitations with a trade convoy screenshot here and there.

Last I checked, Zoners sit still and generally do nothing much until someone brings a fight in and then someone else like the Core comes and makes demands. Rebuffing a demand is not a demand.

Yeah, I don't know much about Zoner RP or lore. (Is anyone else having a giggle at this?)

And you're displaying the attributes of the problem. Core is not Order (or Corsairs etc.). We do not need to beg Zoners for supplies and get extremely worried when those supply lines are threatened because our diplomacy hasn't limited us to a very small pool of potential suppliers. And even on the subject on screenshot there's more roleplay to support being supplied from non-zoners than there is from Zoners (shout out to our Junker allies).

As sone constructive critism perhaps Zoners should start treating factions on a case by case basis, rather than blindly charging in with a stock fr5 template.

Indeed Zoners do sit still sometimes, but often they try to force themselves into environmental politics that do not concern them as much as they'd think - nor is their influence or relevance as big as their "I'M A ZONER FEAR ME" mindset.

Yeah. House corporations want to supply the BHG in the edgeworlds instead of their own government or themselves, thereby denying them a stake of the resources. That makes a lot of sense.

Zoners are unlikely to want to know you when you demand compliance from them and shoot up their base. The visual aspects of the ships are the only difference between how you operate the core and nomad NPCs.

If it isn't in your RP to cooperate, you're not going to get cooperation.

I doubt Zoners care about BHG unless they're powergaming a way to take over Freeport 11 or hanging around a Freeport looking for drama.