Negative consequences of moving best premium scrap selling points to Gallia

[Laura C.]

So you are saying Sunday RFP logged in and caught a smuggler! Great! So when you say it effects smuggling in rheinland... i have yet to see the "lack" of smugglers being caught.

So someone logged and caught a smuggler and that means there is no problem? No offense, but how much time you spend in Rheinland, watching the traffic? Like I said, I spent recently several hours doing that on untagged char, that´s where my data are from.

My point here is that firstly, the majority of smugglers are caught by non-police IDed players.

I guess you are pointing at JM screens. I can only repeat what I told to Garrett:

Regarding Impy/JM and screenshot sending - it is issue I considered several times, but so far didn´t come to any reasonable solution which will work and won´t look silly. Like, should I ignore it? But then, I should ignore all screenshots sent to RFP, otherwise people will call we are biased. Is it okay for official lawful factions to ignore everything we were not present at? Because we can´t be everywhere.

I´m all listening for proposals if you have any...

This imo makes it easier for police factions since they do not have to log to collect money from caught victums. They can also choose whatever fine they want (in contrast to pirates asking for only 2-5 mils and 10 mill being far too much)

Believe or not, collecting money itself is not any motivation. And regarding fines - they are set by laws. The highest one in Rheinland which can be issued for individual on spot for full train of contraband is 6 million (and I actually even consider to propose to slightly lowerit).

Secondly, If there is a decrease in police logging in then OFC you will find less smugglers.

If you spend ten hours ingame and meet one smuggler (it was still extreme result, I still hope I was just very unlucky on this one), does this mean that magically it is far more better when you are not there? My current experience and other members of RFP is based on what we saw ingame. If we will log more, we will of course see more smugglers, but the point is ratio. Meeting one smuggler for two hours patrolling is bad result. Sure, I can log for 20 hours and meet ten smugglers, but that means that more than 18 hours from it there will be no smuggler to catch and this is not interesting for players.

I disagree. I will later on in this post show how changing prices for p-scrap or reverting will do NOTHING if you are dealing with a smart smuggler.

This is not about "smart smugglers" which don´t want to be caught. Those can´t be caught (unless I will go on hard metagaming and wait for you at exit of jumphole, though "smart" smuggler will not even enter system if he will see RFP tagged player inside). If someone is willing rather take longer route out of lanes and out of plane, I can hardly stop him. But there were always some who rather risked it through lanes and gates. And these are those we miss now.

This is an unfair statement to be made. You completely ignore what i wrote. the price to get to alpha was HUGE for a short distance. No one wanted to do any other ores! Do you not remember how bad it was and why it created such an uproar?

I don´t ask for overpricing of p-scrap in Alpha and Gamma. I actually ask to either adjust prices, or remove gallic selling points.

I dont mind that there can be a fine payed by the individual caught in game or their ship be blown up... but the pressure adds when you do it in a faction and when one person gets caught the cops then threaten entire faction FR5!

Those mythical FR5s again? I asked you and Fluffy to bring me examples of FR5s for smuggling last time we got to this, and didn´t get any (except for one case of probable miscommunication with FL-ER). And you know when we talked on skype after AFC member got caught doing illegal things in Rheinland, I stressed that I don´t even think about FR5 for AFC as whole.

What are you planning to accomplish from this? Exactly what? Do you think this will contribute POSITIVELY to RP health and your smuggling catching needs? I remember when smugglers actually liked to get caught and then challenge themselves to ease the cops to letting them go.

No offense, but my feeling is that smugglers expect that cop MUST be willing to take bribe when its offered or must believe every story/excuse smuggler try. Who play honest cop which not always believe smuggler´s story gets label "not willing to RP". Just for the record, I let several smugglers go even despite Carsten is incorruptible cop. They just had to be smart.

That's not the case anymore. It forces the smugglers to give 0 crap to wanting to RP or interact with ANYONE becasue ANYONE can be a snitch.

Snitch issue already mentioned above.

We are focusing on p-scrap. Why? What will that change for smuggling ? Nothing actually. Why not focus on smuggling ? why not put the prices up for Cardi? Why not have sell points in places other than Liberty that are attractable? How about having the same price as Manhatten in NB planet? Things like that.

I would love to have something like that. But you really believe that devs will let it happen? Cardi and Artifacts are now buffed to level where they provide just little lesser profit per unit than ores on highest profit sellpoint. Do you think devs will let any cargo from NPC stations have better profit than player mineable cargo?

While i am not an expert and karst stated that there is no relation, I will still say that giving the prices up in gamma/alpha will undermine other ores yet again becasue of how close it is. We will have a lot of junkers moving up and down and it will hit other factions too for activity becasue rather than keeping balance in ores we would rather make one ore better than the other. Everyone will want to do it to make the most cash.

Like I said, I don´t call for overpricing p-scrap (by the way, the best selling point now offers price 14 000 credits per unit, that is not overpriced?).

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.