Negative consequences of moving best premium scrap selling points to Gallia

[Laura C.]

Well, this thread turned into discussion about smuggling, but why not, it´s useful for me actually. To shortly react to the smuggling issues which were brought up:

From now on I will speak only for Rheinland and RFP, obviously the attitude differ through houses much more than I thought. Though, majority of problematic cases which were brought are somehow from Liberty. I start to feel there is need to stress that you should not apply bad experience from one house to all of them.

you forget the part when even if the smuggler wins he has to deal with a fine sent to them on forums anyway. You cannot win if you encounter a cop. Only if you convince inRP

True, will give it a thought.

Edit: You can also loose twice as a smuggler. Death in-game and also forum fines.

I think RFP never did that, but I´m not 100 percent sure to be honest (definitely not againt individuals, not sure about factions). But I agree it is wrong.

My wish is basically that cop factions would not link 1 person to the whole of the faction in terms of smuggling. I don't really mind if one ship from the {AFC}- gets an FR5 for it if that needs to happen. It could suck, yes... but still I'd let it go.

FR5 should be very last resort for special cases imo. Not something common. It discourages player to fly into the house, when the "criminal status" can be solved by just putting the person to criminal database, what means all the NPC won´t fire at him all the time, but he gets in trouble when meeting players.

This also comes into play when I get messages to the faction for a guy's smuggling screw-up. How inRP is the faction headquarters responsible for the guy's actions? The club is grown adults. Not baby-sitters. Even when I state otherwise it's basically "Nope you should have not picked him and been more careful when recruiting" As if to tell me via oorp that with RP comms.
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My issue is about SUSTAINABILITY
How long I can do these naughty actions with cops until the faction gets stabbed in the back becasue "RP Consequences" crap?
How far can I take it until it turns on me?

I guess there should be some balance. If some ship is caught here and there from time to time, maybe it could be doable. But if police catch ten differenct ships of same organization doing smuggling on thirty occassions per week, it doesn´t make much sense to treat that organization as law abiding and pretend there is nothing wrong with it. Will give it a thought.

So the wish is:
Not have FR5ing for whole factions for instances pertaining to individuals in the group.

I hope you know RFP doesn´t do that. Maybe I sound really threatening in my RP messages (that´s how it should be, right? ), but you know I stressed you last time that I didn´t even think about FR5 for AFC.

Not have huge fines that don't make sense compared to the situation.

Hard to say without knowing how you define huge fine. Especially when you run faction with closed economy, so different what is huge fine for you and some powersmuggler can be quite big. But if you mean fines for very small amounts like few units, I work on change of Rheinland laws which should be more friendly in such cases than the current one.

Not have comms directed to headquaters insisting it's the leader's fault becasue he has to baby-sit adults inRP and keep track of everyone. (well you can do it inRP but... just annoying as)

Like I said above, it is matter of amount. It´s part of quasi-lawful factions´ RP to do illegal stuff, but if you will be seen doing it three times a day, it wouldn´t make much sense to not outlaw you. But like I said, will give it more thought to see if I can find some balanced system to give it a go without completely dropping reasonable RP.

On the last note: when I was creating the faction I was told by a few people that I should go to each offical cop faction leader and discuss this issue. Some agreed and just wanted a bribe so inRP it makes sense and we could have some fun. Others said 3 strikes and you are out...

I guess that was before I became leader? I don´t remember two of us having this talk, nor chosing any of those two mentioned options.

Also Nom, I'm not quite sure if it is still the case but apparently anyone can submit a screenshot of a smugglers cargo to generate a fine. If its true, it speaks absolute volumnes.

Yep.... all you need is a screen in game and not even RP in game to get money.
pretty lame as hell.

I´m trying to came with reasonable solution about this. Got some idea two days ago, now I examine it and work on it. Stay tuned.

What's the point of a chase even if you wont win becasue the other guy has evidence?

I mean... even if you KILL the guy they still will post it anyway. Or even send it to a cop to post it on behalf of them. It's all been done before.

Another two issues I´m giving thought currently.

Hm, I wanted to react shortly. Oh well... Also, after reading my post, it si entertaining to realize that police faction leader is putting so much work to make Rheinland smuggling friendly house

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.