(01-02-2016, 12:02 PM)Pavel Wrote: We are discussing extending cloak changes to everyone.
Wilde was proposed to be included in this change, but the Admin Team decided it'd be unfair for that faction, since it wasn't abusing their cloaks lately.
Blatant hypocrisy is occurring here A sham of order.
If you call what we did abuse then... your literally saying the existence of "freely engage targets at will" was someones fault for leaving in the id. Like some sorta time bomb. that is conveniently forgotten for nearly 7 years
I refuse to let you all forget the admins made the public id as a limited engage at will paradise in the omicrons this was limited to a zoi to stimulate activity in the omi's but the nature of silently engaging cannot be called abuse if that power was FREELY GIVEN As such.
Ghies referred to it as "the worst has happened another id that can silently engage" you all KNOW the nature of that id and the nature of the equipment when i was made was infinite before batts were introduced for noms.
Cloaks are mechanically balanced. there are anti cloaking devices a damn Pinging sound the emanates from all cloaked vessels including nomads. Yet it seems these provisions are being completely COMPLETELY IGNORED. is this admin hypocrisy? or are you just saying it isn't enough?
Second point the nom cloaks themselves Were designed for ambushing targets in a world where nomad equipment and balancing were marginalized to be generically the SAME AS EVERYTHING ELSE as human side technology. Nomads had vary little advantage for a faction considered to be of advanced alien origin and thus the main bad guys.
You just let the peanut gallery push you into making every official faction crap its pants. You dont see how?
(01-02-2016, 12:00 PM)Tunicle Wrote: Just for clarity, this area is being discussed but the silent engaging was not the root of the complaints, in many situations this fits.
The root problem was the decloaking and instakilling without anybody having a chance to react. If this happens with other ID's and a complaint is made then the sanction can use rule 3.1.
Tuni this is bs. the cloaks are either balanced mechanically or their not.. vipex has repeatedly stated the fact there is a plethora of anti cloaking measures not to mention a DAMN SOUND THAT PINGS when cloaked ships are nearby!
IS THAT NOT ENOUGH? state so! tweak those factors ! make the cloak ping LOUD AS HECK or increase the range..
Dont say the CLOAK is at fault anymore then the ID power can be ABUSED.. this is authority the admin team delegates. And you've literally countermanded that authority to "complaints" that are either valid or INVALID because frankly the sin of being killed was not fulfilling enough to those being killed.
ignoring the facts on how cloaks work demonstrates the worst kind of ignorance. And this harms the server worse then what we could have ever done with an arsenal of marginalized equipment, balanced cloaks, and an id thats says "kill anything you want." signed an endorsed by the admin team.
You made every offical faction crap its pants today because the admin teams say the mounds of complaints dictate what harms server gameplay. That the community is right even when its wrong. FFS your supposed to protect the community from itself in this regard.
Especially when you guys dont even relate to us the logic of the decision. All it does is make us assume the worst here. Where is the logical argument that both defeats the Admins to prescribe id powers and defeats the existing dev balances to cloaks to have the protagonist id altered?
no we dont get that we get a viel of "clarification" thats Bull.. "to be clear it isnt the fact the khara was using thier id as prescribe it was that the khara was using thier id as prescribed because when poeple complain not enough time to react this makes us hop up and just say Yeah that sucks we dont effin think about our actions lets nerf it so the bitching stops.
Thats what it looks like. there was no forethought in this change.. and the further this rabbit hole goes the less your team seems to think logically about it.
God to be a fly on the wall. In that debate I can only guess whats really discussed and who truly makes the changes around here.
