' Wrote:// I believe that is the main issue. How many Lawfuls
// really want to stand guard? Eating Blueberry pie/Donuts.
// Boring. Most players want to move around...make money...
// kill things or have an excuse to kill. Irrespective of
// whether you are lawful or not.
// How many of the lawfuls are attention wanting younger kids?
// By the bad oorp in NY, it seems quite a lot. How many of these
// "lawfuls" actually want to do guard duty?
// I think most of the more mature people would be quite happy to
// do this duty as it is good RP, but that number seems to be
// overcrowded by the younger - so there is a policing effect of
// the mature(er) to the young(er).. making it more difficult for
// the more mature to DO this kind of duty as they are busy keeping
// or trying to keep the youngers in line.
// I say anything that is not authorized spotted coming through
// the gate either way...is kill on sight by any security force no
// discussion and no chance to explain. THAT is good RP for the
// protection of Liberty's most secretive non-secret.
// Alternatively within 3kms of the Jump hole.
// If the <strike>victims</strike> idiots complain - then point out that Alaska
// is off limits to non-LSF or LNS. Point them to the forum
// that explicity states that.
Yep you are right - but, how is the fact that its boring and that the liberty players are younger etc etc etc an unlawfuls problem? it's not - its unfortunate for the security of liberty that that area is left unguarded so often and that unscrupulous types are able to get through it - but they do and they are so Step up liberty...... use your muscle and start protecting it.
I have no problem with being warned away, shot at.. etc etc if im in that Zone 21 area... because i know for a fact that its entirely in a liberty lawful's RP to do that, they have discretion in that area should they choose to use it. Again, i reiterate its up to them to police it, its not up to unlawfuls to self police.
If Player A sits outside that minefield entrance and warns off/destroys unlawfuls coming through he is entirely in his rights to do so - if player A is not there... then the lucky unlawful has caught the liberty lawfuls asleep, they beat the law, well done.
Smugging into and out of Military controlled areas happens, it happens in real life - its vastly conceivable that it will happen in as large an area as a spacial system.... with one choke point where the presence of sentries is so hit and miss and avoidable - and another leading to a myriad of systems controlled by various groups of dubious legal status who have no reason to respect liberty laws.
Again - even if you say that only the most senior Liberty personnel have the access codes to the Zone 21 gate it is irrelevant. It has already been conceded in this thread that the Order has them, in which case - and now im repeating myself, it is equally likely then that the Corsairs do, as do any 3rd parties the corsairs choose to sell those codes do... with the flow on effect that those codes are probably then a hot commodity on the black market.
So i say again, Its up to the Liberty players to enforce the rules there, as i said, if it starts to get known that if you come out of that minefield you are more than likely going to get killed, people will stop doing it or at the very least, seriously consider whether its worth it or not.
