Updated System Cull - List & Discussion

[Lythrilux]

Lyth, if you make posts about double standards regarding treatment of Order compared to other factions, specifically Core and using Operation Spear, don't be surprised if responses include factions like Core in their argument too.

I won't be suprised, but trying to deflect things off into a debate about the Core is derailment. I'm just going to ignore the majority of those points because they're desperate. Take it to the Core feedback if you really want to discuss our Propaganda effort.

Regarding other faction relations: The gameplay effects of the TAZ incident were mostly ooRP given the way Zoners function. If at all, only a small portion of the Zoners that were already supporting the Order turned away from them. Zoners who lived in places that mattered the most to the Order (Omicrons) were inRP almost entirely unaffected by the event that barely could've mattered to them.
Other faction relations didn't just improve in the last year. Ties existed beforehand in varying degrees to other factions and it would be ignorant to assume otherwise.

I'm not sure if Order powering their way into Zoner diplo via Phoenix secures majority support. Fair enough, there is OSI, and relations have opened with them in the past year, but given the genericness of the entire Zoner NPC faction concept I think it's extreme to imply that most Zoners hold Order favourable sentiments. I don't think the TAZ incident and RP that followed from that can necessairly be considered either, as it was all a buildup of the Order's crude treatment of Zoners beyond Phoenix. It doesn't help that any sort of trader, Zoner or otherwise, gets aphrended and punished for bringing supplies all things to Omicron Mu.

Although I think at the least it's more logical for Order to have more support of specific Zoner groups themselves, rather than majority support of the entire NPC faction itself.

You can not really say that Omicron-100 is powergaming, because let's be honest: What power? The power to have a system that's useless in terms of resources, strategically difficult placement (O92, OMinor at the borders) with stations (except for Evora) that do not really have much significance.

Yet here we are debating how 100 is some sort of powerhouse that can (almost) secretly manufacture a brand new fleet with ease. And no one says anything about. No questions, no complaints. Heck it even gets used for a canon storyline event.
But if 100 doesn't affect the balance of power whatsoever, the system can just be removed and it's assets along with it or they can be merged into Mu instead.

And then you're saying the Order trying to terraform Braga on their own is an inconsistency? I would agree with you, if the terraforming was successful. But it wasn't, and that's the key point you're ignoring.

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Braga was the only planet in Omicron-100 suitable for terraforming, but after several years of development, its core began to heat up. Colonists were unable to control the global warming and as a result, Braga was abandoned. Now it remains a deserted wreck of what the Order could have called home.

Reading the infocard it actually implies more that Order was perfectly capable of teraforming, and the core of the Planet just headed up on it's own which I doubt anyone - even Planetform - could control. The issue itself lies within the implication that Order is fully capable of terraforming Plantes, the sort of ability anyone could get away with saying they have in a Guard System infocard.

Regarding the pace of development: Not all systems have been adressed as of yet, that is yet to come. So if some systems are deguarded/deleted while some of the same type are not, it may simply be a thing of pacing. Please try not to ignore this.

I'm not ignoring that. I'm arguing that not a single guard system should be ignored from the cull though, like what Londonderry has been.

you are repeatedly mad at me for not returning the stationary battleships to the jumpholes in Omicron Rho and placing more 'assets' like this into the system despite my numerous explanations is just one episode of it.

Your numerous explanations are bollocks. I believe that. Core| believes that. Our indies believe that. And even people who don't play Core whatsoever believe that. Much like your entire post here, the way you designed Rho was not impartial and unbiased at all. You did so with your alliegiance to the Order| official faction heavily in mind. And I'm not just grasping at straws here. Also wow, look at you trying to paint a picture of me as a devil in this thread by saying I wanted those caps back at the jump holes, when I explicity said multiple times to you and all across the forums I didn't care about them being there. I want my system to have openenss, otherwise how can we facilitate non-Core activity lol? Your explanations are the ones that disregard the opinions of others just because you can and have the power to and are done so out of extreme bias. They have no basis, and honestly it's surreal you have a yellow name at all.

I'm sure you of all people would be delighted to have a crack at meddling with IMG's assets too. And I'm sure @Jack_Henderson would be more than happy to hear you working on them. Funny how IMG didn't get off so well in the recent slew of mining updates, right Mr. Mining Dev?

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Y'know what. Sure. Lets keep Guard Systems in the mod. Lets make them canon too. Lets also get the staff to bring back all the previously deleted/merged Guard Systems, and allow factions to buy them for 500 million again. Sure, the double standards will still remain, but at least things will be a little bit more fair.

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