GRN feedback thread

[Jack_Henderson]

This was frustrating beyond belief.
Al lot more for me personally than for the others, because I knew it would happen, but it was still immensely frustrating for everybody.

For those who were not there: again 0 kills, 100 % losses in a roughly 10 vs 10 snub fight that did not even last... 5? 6? minutes and was lost after minute 1.

What makes it frustrating is that it is not the first time but - sadly - the "total wipe" is the normal outcome when groups try to pvp GRN|. I am not blaming anybody, I am just stating that this is the case.

What makes this massacre so massively frustrating for me is because I knew it would happen like this.

I PMed Omi and Haste and told them it would happen like this. And of course it did.

> PM when I saw Haste logging on GRN:

[06.04.2016 19:24:59] CR|-Surferboy: Haste?
[06.04.2016 19:25:03] GRN|Maurice.Cornett.: hi
[06.04.2016 19:25:11] CR|-Surferboy: Man, THEY really do not need an ace
[06.04.2016 19:25:29] CR|-Surferboy: tehy will shiiiiiiit on us anyway, with zero losses
[06.04.2016 19:25:33] GRN|Maurice.Cornett.: All I know is omi screaming they had 2 people or something and needed me to log
[06.04.2016 19:25:57] GRN|Maurice.Cornett.: i'm also probably far from an ace 8|
[06.04.2016 19:25:57] [C]-DaMage,: be warned, tagless snub in conn also in their group
[06.04.2016 19:26:00] GRN|Maurice.Cornett.: whatevr ill look what its like
[06.04.2016 19:26:01] CR|-Surferboy: ye. Then they do not know what this is going to end
[06.04.2016 19:26:07] CR|-Surferboy: bc I do

I pmed with Omi who I do not envy, either. The login patterns on the CR-C-SCRA team was freaking chaotic, snubs, caps, snubs, caps. Reacting to that must have been mayhem. And: Omi tried to somehow manage it, by pulling people out, etc etc. I do not contest that. And I even believe that he is frustrated about this and I am convinced that this was a really bad interaction for every body on every side.

However, I said this in PM before the fight:

> PM to Omi before fight

[06.04.2016 19:29:25] CR|-Surferboy: Come on. Meph, Omi, Haste, Dan, Antonio.... pffffffff............
[06.04.2016 19:29:34] CR|-Surferboy: I feel like logging off again.
[06.04.2016 19:29:41] GRN|Lucie:LeBlanc: // we cannot capfight the amount of stuff that is coming
[06.04.2016 19:29:49] CR|-Surferboy: //we will be totally raped again
[06.04.2016 19:29:51] GRN|Lucie:LeBlanc: // it is not my fault that i have to get what i can to log in snubs |:
[06.04.2016 19:30:49] CR|-Surferboy: //ye... and you certainly know that no one will fight you again if you roll everythign every time with 0 losses
[06.04.2016 19:30:56] CR|-Surferboy: //this will be a zero loss wipe again

Edit: I am not blamig Omi for anything. I am not implying that he on purpose got the aces to roll over the enemy. I actually know he was trying his best to somehow manage to make it a fight. That just did not work. So, do not get me wrong: I am not blaming GRN| leadership here. They tried, but the outcome was still really really bad.

I am by far not the most experienced group fighter in this fight.
But I could see it. Perhaps I could see it that clearly because I have been group fighting on underdog teams against superior teams for 5 years. Perhaps winning teams cannot see the outcome depite their experience.

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The solution is easy and it sucks at the same time: If not 2-3 of your aces/experienced group fighters log on the opponent side, these confrontations will never be fights that earn the name "fight".

It will always be massacres. Aces changing sides to make it more fun for everybody is the only way. I would absolutely hate it if I was on GRN side, if I had to join a loser team full of bad and new and inexperienced guys.

But even you have to see today that there is no way you will ever get a fight again if this is the regular setup of fights, with the predictable worst-case outcome so obvious that I can be my money on it.

And, let's face it: this is not the first time that GRN has discouraged whole groups from pvping them any more by crushingly wiping the floor with them every single time. It has happened quite a few times before.

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I really want to be an optimist, but there is no solution on the side of your opponents in this. The SCRA-C-CR side does not have people that can match your snub pvpers. 5 of you would have killed the 10 of us. You would have lost 1 or 2 perhaps.

And if SCRA-C-CR side bring caps, GRN do not have the caps to fight them on the same class (which is the only way you can have a somewhat fun fight) and would go full bombers, which is zero fun and zero kills for the cap group again - not unlikely without losses. Experienced, veteran players and aces on the rock-paper-scissor ship against the raid will result in another wipe.

Somehow you have to find a way if you want to get fights in the future.
After repeated "0 kill, all killed" massacres, you are on the best way to go back to inactivity because players will - understandably so - avoid pvp interaction with you to save themselves and their factions the frustration that comes with outcomes like those GRN produces way too regularly, sadly.

~ Jack