(07-14-2016, 04:48 PM)Jansen Wrote: [align=justify]Why does this take so long?
The so called "official Dev strike" has added another layer to this already rather complex decision. If we decide to revert the decision, we are going to open a way for every further unpopular decision to be reverted by such a 'strike' and we as Admins essentially lose every bit of authority we need to keep the server running and community intact.
There is just one mistake in what you are saying: you have already lost authority and the only way to regain it, is to prove that you (as in: the staff) can get things right. I am rather sure that there would not be strikes and huge uproar over weeks if the decision that was pressed through had not been obviously wrong. Let's not lose sight on who started it, and who reacted to an unjust and clearly wrong action.
Quote: If we decide to keep the decision, then the Developers involved might stop working and we certainly look like cruel rulers, which might make things look less appealing for members, newcomers or returning people.
You got that one right. If you make a mistake, and you are told by a lot of people, and - if you even stop to think for a moment - you realize yourself that it was kind of weird... then you fix it.
What is so hard about admitting that the process was deeply flawed? Everybody can see that anyway. It looks foolish if there are no changes in the decision when more and more admit that "it could have been done better/differently/...).
What is so hard about setting up a procedure that does not threaten everybody who critizises green/yellows and has mighty enemies from being banned on a whim?
If I said - just for example - that an Admin is abusing his admin powers to bully a player and that a dev still has not managed to merge fields and newbies are terribly confused about dozens of inactive fields... will I be put on an obscure list of personae non grata and a secret vote with single majority will be held in which my enemies in green/yellow will decide my fate? What can I say, what can't I say? This is making me furious!
Your decision to ban people who clearly do not deserve it has made Disco less appealing. It has an especially direct impact on those senior players who normally drive roleplay, start initiatives, organise groups and activity. I'll be blunt: The environment your decision and the delayed fixing has caused, makes it impossible for me to have fun in Disco.
Quote:The people that complain that our decision takes too long or that claim that they could decide this much better and faster than we can, how would you decide?
It is easy and I cannot understand why you are taking that long.
Step 1: compile all evidence you have.
Step 2: look at it.
Step 3: If the reason to ban is that the person was nasty to the staff, but not to the community: unban. It is easy to check by looking at the criminal register to see whether a person is toxic to the community, or only a nasty critic towards staff.
Step 4: If the accused player has been a problem for the players, for the people playing on the server, a troll, a bully, and if this can be proven by a look at the quantity and quality of sanctions, then punish that player.
If you want a list on who should stay banned, open a poll. Or ask 30 veteran players who can say something about the people in the list because everybody in this group perfectly knows who did nothing to harm the community, and just stepped on staff toes to earn this.
Both methods would very likely show that you punished very different people for something that is not even a crime in the first place.
Seriously, fix it.
You are ruining Disco, not the dev strike, not the players who do not feel like playing in such an atmosphere.
It is the staff that has to take responsibility.
Do that, finally, and we can go back to some kind of normality and focus on the game, and not the shady and bad politics and infighting for power that seems to be at least 50 % of Disco nowadays.
This inability to get it done is frustrating beyond anything I have ever seen in an online community.
