Admin Feedback Thread (Archived)

[Durandal]

Is it possible we stop preying on every potentially controversial word like hyenas and snipe each other for literally everything? We shouldn't jump at each other like that. If you can't write a post level-headed, just don't bother posting until you can. As difficult as it may be.

To the topic itself:
All community-eliminated administrators would really do is prevent influx of new admins. Mainly because, as others mentioned before, it inevitably encounters the same problems a community election of admins would have.

A problem with sanctions is that the amount of sanction reports makes it difficult and ridiculously time-consuming to "get to know the person". The pieces of evidence you have so far allow you to create an assumption of what this person is like. More evidence means a more accurate assumption. And for most sanctions, it doesn't even require that level of detail. So acting on assumption might not be as bad as some make it out to be, if such an assumption has a very solid basis.

As a last note, trusting 'popular community opinion' is a dangerous line to cross. Mainly because it's a few individuals (the majority of the time, as I observe, from the same group/clique) pretending to speak for the majority of the community, using words like "we", "the players" when it's only really the opinion of the echo chamber they're currently in. You speak for yourself and your group only, don't pretend otherwise.

Hi Maurice, I see you've dedicated an entire post to me without bothering to say so, or to take it up on a platform less intrusive to the actual conversation such as Skype.

As usual, you seem woefully unaware of the actual situation at hand. Dane did hit the nail on the head when he said this is a symptom, not the disease. I have no interest in sniping at anyone, and my post actually was written with an extremely level head. People are allowed to be shocked, repulsed, and object to a statement. That is what I did, and I made a concerted effort to explain why I was.

Admins - I don't think I made myself clear. When I talked about elimination, I meant the community voting in admins and the losers of the vote being eliminated by a cut off point, a requirement that a certain number of votes be reached. I do believe some of the current administrators do need to take a hike, but any system for the removal of an admin needs to have a great deal of thought put into it.

Sanctions & popular opinion - You've got this process backwards, I'm not insinuating that the admin team can or should go and talk to each individual person who has a report cross their desk. Rather I'm encouraging them to branch out and get to know these people they detest so much (Wesker, Omicega, Yber, Tachyon, anyone they'd like to drop a Heavy Decision Mk II on basically) beforehand, rather than just judging them from afar. Fly with them, talk to them, play the game. There are more perspectives to the game than the administration's, and right now they're speaking for themselves and their group only, don't pretend otherwise.

Disco is divided into many, many cliques. I don't pretend to know, like, or understand them all myself. But I certainly reach out and talk to them if a problem should arise. A prime example is @Skorak and his merry bunch, who self admitted that he detests me in a conversation about gun balance. I took his concerns seriously and relayed them to the balance team, instead of scoffing at them and saying "well, that's his opinion and it isn't worth anything because he's him."

Just because I don't get along with someone doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play the game, or worse - that I would like to impose sanctions on them or nerfs upon their faction based on the opinions I've drawn without even getting to know them. Let me reiterate - when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. And right now, we've got an administration which has self admitted that they are not willing to see outside their own box. That means some of them need to go, and some freshly community vetted blood needs to be voted in. That part, at least, is simple.

Checks and balances on the other hand, is quite another story.