(11-11-2016, 09:58 PM)Scourgeclaw Wrote: Personally I take umbrage with the idea of salvaging entire capital vessels at all: I've been involved in a few myself and honestly the RP behind them were sub-par to the point of not deserving of the vessel in question.
Heres the thing: capital vessels, battleships especially aren't so much as built as they are crafted. The sheer quantity of resources, the nuances that go into construction, the interpretation of the blueprints, and the protection and secrecy surrounding all of that which goes into a massive kilometer-long war-machine all point to the fact that the kind of thefts that people are talking about for their ships are frankly next to impossible, if not impossible.
Furthermore, taking an already-existing vessel yields similar backlash from the community- also for obvious reasons. Capital vessels have crews of hundreds or in some cases thousands of crewmembers just to keep them afloat- not to even mention rotating crews and support staff. Basically theres a lot of people involved, and the idea that somehow, someone's character is proficient enough at causing political discourse and implanting ideas into the heads of their totally 100% devoted crews that they can manage to persuade an entire ship full of people to betray everything they know and love of their home territory and people, and follow their captain wherever they please is, quite frankly laughable. In a real living world like the one the world of Disco is supposed to be: each of those crewmembers are their own thinking, breathing living beings with their own ideas and aspirations: their own lives. So the idea that all of them suddenly upended their lives to go gallivanting across Sirius is so ludicriously silly that it makes most people just suddenly lose all suspension of disbelief.
and yet we see these RP's all the time.
And I'm fairly certain the original Osiris is to blame:
Freelancer's plot allowed the theft of the Osiris to be lampshaded by some pretty simple phrasing:
Trent: "who makes off with an entire battleship?"
Orillion: "I do"
and most people think a badass one-liner like that can be enough to solve that particular plothole- but here's the thing: narratively it makes sense
Liberty was in turmoil, the inner ranks of the Liberty Government and the LSF were in disarray and infected and alot of usual duties (like overseeing experimental vessels) may have gotten left on the back burner in exchange for managing mass-disappearances and clandestine government overthrowing- meanwhile certain in-the-know LSF members were becoming increasingly aware and terrified of the situation, calling for drastic measures on the part of those that remained uninfected. They knew they were cornered, so they made a feint to the left, dashed right- and ran off with the best ship they could- which happened to be the Osiris.
It made sense(sort of)
Meanwhile, most modern SRP battleships are just: "Oh, I don't like this guy's leadership, so ima leave and take my massive hulking deathmachine of which there are only in-lore 5-6 of in existence with me." -- Do we start to see the issue here?
Osiris' betraying the Order to go to Liberty, Core heavy capitals running away to become their own factions, entire Maltese or Corsair or Rheinland fleets betraying the very ideals of their respective homeworlds to go pretend to be allies with their former mortal enemies-- the impossible has become commonplace in Discovery- everyone is their own special snowflake, nobody is normal, there is no mundane and there's absolutely no such thing as a flawed character anymore ( everyone playing mary-sue self-insert characters isn't conducive to a high-quality story environment. Just saying.)
And this is not to offer negative commentary on any RP's I may be perceived to be alluding to: I haven't read enough about any recent discovery roleplay to offer true commentary or critique on them but when literally everyone is trying to stand out and do something unique, the exciting becomes mundane, the mundane becomes obscene, the obscene becomes boring and unoriginal.
There has to be RP justification for your character's actions but there also has to be a logical backing of facts. The Osiris could do it because of it's circumstances. Fine, whatever
But this crap we have now where 2 pages of RP and some utterly ludicrously weak justification for reason to run away with a Warship has gotten to eye-roll levels of stupidity.
If you can be original with it and have enough RP for everything to make sense- as well as the help of a multitude of other people then, fine. Go right on ahead with your battleship theft/construction. Otherwise, prepare to be sneered at by a lot of people.
Sombra, best of luck to you- sounds like you're actually trying.
That's a neat excourse, obviously showing a bit of frustration about the recent SRP'd battleships. Since I literally told in the OP that I am leaving capital ships out of the concept, I'd be thankful to not turn this thread into a discussion of who deserves a battleship and who not. I was basically asking for feedback of the current changes I made to the concept.
I was intially going to comment some things you wrote, as some things are, as you said, clearly on a cba-attitude, I don't think there is much to gain from a discussion about judging other people's quality/subjective interests.
