Admin Notice: ZOI changes for RM, BDM, BAF and BIS. (Feedback Time)

[Laura C.]

How about all those who say that O3 and O7 are not "wild" read the infocards and check out the rumors?

Or will I get the answer I got in OFL then here, too, which was like: "Ok, but it just is not rped like that."?

Seems to me that after you were not able to succeed with "this will completely changed everything wrong way", you now pulled the "but holy infocards say so!" card.

Do you really demand that things should not be allowed to evolve naturally ever and should be frozen to vanilla state? Can we have same talk about other things in the game? For example about how many factions, including IMG, were described in vanilla, and how much is it different from what they are now? Either everything should be allowed to evolve, or nothing.

Seriously, this is not really big change. Sometimes lawful patrol appears, that´s how Omegas 3 and 7 are supposed to be. Or you want to claim that there should be no lawful presence at all?

Also, if you want to play your wild west, what is problem in doing it in more appropriate places? For example Omega-9 is ONE jump away from O-3 and O-7, so what´s the problem? You can be wild there all day long and no lawfuls will bother you there.

It's not about lawful a or unlawfuls, that's a meaningless distinction. The Sairs are just as much a House as Liberty it Kusari for the purposes of this discussion. That said, I guess people could go to O9 until, as you said, things evolve and the RM and BAF see that people are in O9 and decide they need to be able to patrol there too.

And then it is up to admins to decide if this system should be added to their ZOI. Otherwise they can´t really patrol there because they can´t enforce laws or attack anyone first. If admins will for some reason see it fit, then we can have discussion about how "wild systems" are disappearing. But O-3 and O-7 are not that type of case and never were. In the past, when playerbase was bigger, Omega-7 actually had even stronger lawful presence than now, because lawful players were going there routinely to hunt unlawfuls.

But you still did not answer my question what is the system "without control" like (to quote you, the "places that aren't under anyone's control, places where there is no law aside from the law of the gun") and how is supposed to work.

In the past there were many systems where no house or house like entity had, rule wise the right to enforce their laws. Think Coronado before the CR set up shop there. And you know what happened? All sorts of interesting groups used it as a base to develop rp that wouldn't have been able to be done if the houses could have just hunted them back to thier base and seiged it as the common practice is now. That FL base in 13 is currently being seiged by the GMG because someone did something against thier laws, so of course, no one can now use that FL base and the opportunity is ruined.

What are talking about is possible only when there is system which no factions has in ZOI. And I definitely don´t think such existed even back then. I remember the old Coronado, however the sieges were not thing just because POBs did not exist back then (and sieging NPC base is kind of pointless). Because people were shooting each other there regularly and they would do the same with POBs, I am very sure about that. There will be alway someone who will come to your base and ask you for money because it´s easy money without work. This actually seems to overlooked somehow - but it is definitely part of the wild west world - lot of bad people who lives by robbing/extoring/enslaving other people. So every faction which consists of bad guys who has ZOI in some system would do that even in old times if POBs would be there. What you call "killing RP" is actually form of RP, despite sometimes brutal and with negative consequence.

Only solution of what you demand is system which will be protected from pvp interations, which will be part of no ZOI. Otherwise there will be always someone who will use the "law of the gun" against some new inhabitants and may "kill their RP".

By the way it interesting how many people blame houses aka lawfuls, but no one blames unlawful factions which has much bigger ZOI and striking a deal with them is often much more difficult and expensive than having deal with local lawfuls (just count how many POBs lawfuls destroyed in last year, and how many were destroyed by unlawfuls).

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.