Clarification needed: foreign navies with enhanced ZOI enforcing rp consequences

[Jack_Henderson]

Jack, I read all you said and I share your concerns. But I would recommend you to read the link I gave above - for the treaty under construction thread. The "Task Force" mentioned is the ONLY official force that would be allowed to enter Bretonia with a very very clear duty - to protect their dauman base on top of warming the mutual cooperation between the Houses. [...] InRP you are aware Breotnia cant handle all fronts...and now is the best time to warm the relations with Rheinland and possibly return the favor being with extensive trading partnerships exclusive to Rheinland, filling their pockets, or by small squadrons to assist them if needed.

I do not contest the irp thinking behind a partnership of security because I think it makes irply sense (at least for Bretonia). Why Rheinland is willing to aid Bretonia instead of exploiting its weakness, I do not understand fully, but that's a House player decision and it likely is good (gameplaywise), as it does not make the situation of Bretonia even more "unrealistic" (in the sense of: why do they even exist any more at the moment). So... no flak from me for the irp thinking in this complete rp project.

Personally, I would have preferred a "RFP-BPA" cross border assistance program, which somehow I would find more fitting. It would also give players a reason to have a police ship instead of going for Navy (see: "struggling police IDs" issue). Using police IDs would also limit ship classes somewhat (we all know that caps always create the rage) and cross-border cooperation somewhat works better in my imagination between police forces than with armies/navies, but anyway: you made that choice and I can also live with it.

If someone creates extremists or etc - Rheinland Government should act accordingly and sanction them in RP. The point of our treaty is not to simply allow Rh lawfuls inside nor the opposite with Br forces - we are simply RPing around a huge problem and thats the Omega Enemies.

This has already been answered by translucent-rabbit, so I'll just point there and reinforce that there is no way RheinGov could act (ZoI rules), AND I know from the last few attempts to create Rheinland lawful groups to shoot IMG that the oorp interest of certain players in high positions would not contain "sanctioning" this sort of behaviour. More likely, it would be covered up irp and welcomed.

That's why I am so adamant on this being a rule aspect because I know for sure that "player to player gentlemen's agreements" will not work.
But I think we are on the same page there anyway now, so we only need a solution, e.g. Laura's to be implemented.
It's basically an Admin decision now to limit the fallout of the seemingly easy change in ZoI.

Also, Omega-3 is Bretonian territory as a whole but we are well aware of your IMG base and trust me - its existence was not ignored during our oorp discussions. Also we havent contacted IMG yet but we shall do so soon. The reasons for that are because overall the Omega Alliance we are up to create with Rheinland doesn't concern you as much as it does concerns us. The point of this Alliance is to protect our sovereign systems and the people inside, so indirectly we are protecting you as well.

Just talk to me next time, player to player.
My initial reaction would have been a lot less hostile and defensive if this thing had not been dropped out of a clear sky right onto me.

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To sum it up: I do not oppose the general idea as passionately as my initial reaction suggests after I see that the main participants explain things, care and act cool in general - but mostly I find it reassuring that we seem to share the view that we have a rule problem there.

Once that is fixed, I think the rest can be worked with somehow. I will always be strictly opposed to "Houses taking away the Borderworlds from non-House factions", but I guess we can agree to be on different sides in this by default and still somewhere find compromises that somehow do not completely sideline and marginalize non-House factions in O3/O7.

I have a few ideas there.