Admin Feedback Thread (Archived)

[Zelot]

And I think adressing Hannibal here directly is the best example instead of going against everyone.

Yes and no.

I agree admins should take their responsabilities when they screw up and it ~usually~ does happen this way.
However it's also the responsability of the staff itself to ensure it keeps its own members (be it admins, mods) in check and if necessary take actions.

+1. That said, it seems a lot of people here could do with some attitude adjustments. The admins will always most definitely reflect the community. Divine was talking about the Admin team back in .84-.85, I was a member of that staff and I will tell you, that team was the way it was because the members demanded it. Back then we had faction leaders and significant members of the community who were interested in boosting the server and the community along with their own faction. It wasn't a zero some game back then, where if I want to get power for my faction I have to take it from someone else. People back then respected good rp and demanded that the Admins enforce a high standard. Before that, the rp here was, to be perfectly frank, crap. Go back and look at some of the 05-06 rp threads, often we wouldn't even recognize it as rp today. As the community grew and more serious rpers joined, the community demanded the staff enforce a higher level of rp, and a more systematic game in general. Rules were expanded and the Admins gave themselves more power to regulate and enforce rp, which wasn't always what individuals were happy with. But the changes didn't originate with the staff, they came from the community, which was reflected in the staff.

Today the staff still reflects the community. Rules are much looser than they were during my time on the staff, The idea of a perma-ban not being permanent wouldn't have even occurred to us. Cheating and trolling became proper and acceptable here because that is what the community wants. The level of interaction has become what it is because that's what the community wants. Spazzy is an admin (really spazzy, no offense to you, I really think you are doing a great job, honestly) and that is an example to the community that there is a way back from cheating and trolling. That you can rejoin the community after that, so of course people are going to do it. And it's ok because clearly, the community wanted their friends who were cheaters and trolls and toxic to be accepted back into the community. Players know now that IF they get caught, they face 6 months off. Players know that if they are about to rage quit, they might as well try to f**k it up for the people who pissed them off because they were going to take a break anyway, so now they hurt the other side and know they can come back in 6 months. Hostility and factionalism have become the rule among the player base, and somehow we are surprised when those traits are displayed by members of the admin team. Come on now, many of the people who are complaining about Hannabull now are the same people who work to drive players they don't like off the server and try to push players they dont like to their emotional breaking point. If the community wants a better level of dialogue with the staff, the first step ought to be working to raise the level of dialogue amongst the player base. The staff reflects the player base, you aren't going to have devils for players and angels for staff. It just doesn't work that way.