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Offline Sombs
06-26-2017, 02:33 PM,
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(06-26-2017, 01:50 PM)Tænì Wrote: Sombra, NO.

I like you, but you need to stop foisting your views on the community just because you have good graphical design skills to embellish your points. You can't just make these gigaposts in every thread and expect people to concur.


For one thing, that activity sheet is completely, utterly wrong. Second part is "too many solars (para)" is a terrible argument as its solars that make systems interesting and large amounts of them do not harm gameplay.

New York is a crap, boring system. It's absolute crap. Only two field types and three planetary solars. It's only because it's right in the middle of everything anybody gives it the bloody time of day.


As for Rheinland, the large size of the house is helpful because it makes piracy more competetive. System size in systems with lanes is fairly irrelevant anyhow and gives police more to do, as unlawfuls are incentivised to use trade lanes. Frankfurt is a great system because it has one lane - everybody - has to go down, which creates a natural interaction point. It balances that huge scale by having easy-to-get-to Jump Holes for unlawfuls into NB and Dresden and Bremen (Unioners), and Sigmas, Munich (Bundschuh).

Ill De France is the most beautiful, most well thought out system in the mod. Gallia had some of its most beautiful systems removed because a bunch of people who don't even play in the house demanded their removal and it still did nothing for Gallic activity. Berry was damn beautiful, as was Anjou, as was Maine, which retconned a lot of people's RP and threw the entire concept of the first gallic war out of the window.

Look, people have to agree we're never going to concur about this stuff, and just bloody log in instead of demotivating each other with this crap.

What about those of us who just want to play in Gallia? I just want to play in Gallia.

Please stop crying about my point of view. You're free to disagree, but not more.

I'm not demotivating. I call out stuff that people are noticing for months and years. If Gallia is so beautiful, why are people not there? because nobody is there, and because travelling through certain systems is a pain in the butt. Travelling TO Gallia is a pain in the butt. From New York to Ile de France, it is at least nine systems to move through. Why the hell would you make a starting point there? It looks nothing like vanilla. The starspheres are a mix of "We have nothing better right now" and "One of everything". And then the distances.

NY - NB = 4 systems
NY - NL = 5 systems
NY - NT = 4 systems
NY - Delta = 8 systems
NL - NT = 5 systems
NL - NB = 5 systems
NL - Delta = 7 systems
NT - Delta = 6 systems

It's all central, all well connected. Unlike Gallia.

IDF - NL = 7 systems
IDF - NT = 5 systems
IDF - NY = 9 systems
IDF - NB = 9 systems
IDF - Delta = 8 systems

Most systems are around 5 minutes of flight at max. So when people see there is activity somewhere outside Gallia, do you really think they fly up to nine systems to reach it, wasting more than half an hour while getting TL disruptions and stuff? Gallia is a nice to have, but nothing more. And it definitely isn't finished, balanced or reviewed. Otherwise we would have people there. You can yell at me as much as you want regarding the activity chart, but it is accurate and you know it very well. The activity is mostly in the lower half of the map and mostly in the lower left quarter, while Omicron Delta is a good magnet because of its layout and connections. And the most beautiful view you can have on a sun.

Gallia is pretty contradicting and doesn't fit vanilla at all. They tried to be realistic in terms of planetary systems but completely effed up the nebulae and starspheres, and it is horribly big. Gallia would definitely profit from systems behind Gallia, as right now it is a deadend. Generally, when you create maps, you have a central, well visited point where people can start and interact and find each other, and the more you move away from the central point, the more rough areas get. The more exotic they become. Gallia should be an exotic place, not a house. It tries to be both of it and fails at it. That is why people demand unknown wild deep Omicrons and blind jump systems instead of moving to Gallia. It's too much as if it could have anything interesting and significant.




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Community Input: Starting Location - by Teerin - 06-25-2017, 11:21 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Corile - 06-25-2017, 11:23 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Shelco - 06-25-2017, 11:24 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 10:51 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Tunicle - 06-25-2017, 11:31 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Thyrzul - 06-25-2017, 11:39 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Enkidu - 06-25-2017, 11:40 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Skorak - 06-25-2017, 11:34 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Shiki - 06-25-2017, 11:36 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-25-2017, 11:39 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Omicron - 06-25-2017, 11:44 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Actual Slime - 06-25-2017, 11:44 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by sindroms - 06-25-2017, 11:46 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by BaronOfLeeds - 06-25-2017, 11:49 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Emperor Tekagi - 06-25-2017, 11:52 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sylvie557 - 06-25-2017, 11:53 PM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Emperor Tekagi - 06-25-2017, 11:54 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Antonio - 06-26-2017, 12:17 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by WesternPeregrine - 06-26-2017, 12:23 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Croft - 06-26-2017, 12:37 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by nOmnomnOm - 06-26-2017, 12:39 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Hannibal - 06-26-2017, 01:09 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by sindroms - 06-26-2017, 01:14 AM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sylvie557 - 06-26-2017, 01:22 AM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cardinal - 06-26-2017, 10:24 AM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 10:53 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Traxit - 06-26-2017, 10:55 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 10:57 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cardinal - 06-26-2017, 11:01 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 11:04 AM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Enkidu - 06-26-2017, 11:12 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cardinal - 06-26-2017, 11:16 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 11:20 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cardinal - 06-26-2017, 11:25 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 11:27 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cardinal - 06-26-2017, 11:30 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 11:32 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cardinal - 06-26-2017, 11:38 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by PRJKTLRD - 06-26-2017, 11:41 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by nOmnomnOm - 06-26-2017, 12:47 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 01:31 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Croft - 06-26-2017, 01:31 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Toris (Old Account) - 06-26-2017, 01:34 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by nOmnomnOm - 06-26-2017, 01:42 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Enkidu - 06-26-2017, 01:50 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 02:09 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Skorak - 06-26-2017, 02:12 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Croft - 06-26-2017, 02:26 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by wodalin - 06-26-2017, 02:27 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Croft - 06-26-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Shiki - 06-26-2017, 03:43 PM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Croft - 06-26-2017, 07:12 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Sombs - 06-26-2017, 07:12 PM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by SMI-Great.Fox - 06-26-2017, 07:14 PM
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RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by nOmnomnOm - 06-27-2017, 06:39 AM
RE: Community Input: Starting Location - by Cursetantine - 06-27-2017, 11:47 AM
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