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Why is PvP so damn difficult?
Offline Karst
09-11-2017, 06:53 PM,
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Okay, I'll try to address your summed up points at the bottom.
This is just a personal statement, so don't take this is a dev promise or anything.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Make missiles actually work and be a threat. Having them home in again or actually WORK would be a good start.

What? The Sidewinder is one of the most broken things currently in the mod.
Cannonball could use some more ammo, but it does work. In fact, it's a little like an easier to use MR that you mention below.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Make guns be able to hit a lot easier. Increasing speed or something. Lets not have the flashpoints be the only gun that can hit something for noobs, ok? BTW the animation on flashies were better before adding the piss-blob animation.

No. Remember the cancerous LF guns with 800+ ms?
Agreed on the animation, but eh.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Get mines to have a larger explosion effect maybe? Is that hard to ask for?

Screamer is the only mine that got explosion radius reduced, and that was necessary. It was basically autodeshield in any duel all the time. It's still enough to get the job done.
Nukes are a far too dominant factor in snub fights as it is, honestly. They should have gotten an ammo nerf when CDs did.
Rippers and Swatters could use some more damage.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >For the love of god, man... what did CDs and CMs do to you that you need to nerf them. For crying out loud.

I kind of agree it was too much.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Make that brrt gun actually easier to hit something.

Brrrt gun is really underrated, honestly. You can kind of think of it as two extra guns with Flashpoint speed. Yes the arc is pretty small, but that's fine if you're jousting or chasing a running target. It's just that the Sidewinder is so broken that nobody bothers.

As for the price, 1mil for a reload isn't honestly that much. Those 2000 rounds also last longer than one might expect.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Bring Torpedoes back and stop the hate for them.

Not with aux slots. Torpedoes worked fine when you had to sacrifice the CD, but they were never balanced to be on every single ship.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Be able to mount more than one missile.

Superheavy fighters already can.
But the only reason VHFs worked back when missiles took gunslots is because the missiles back then were crap. It would be outrageously broken to mount more than one with the current missiles.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Make the MR easier to hit and with better arcs if you REALLLLLY need to have a more gun-based pvp system.

Uh....no. Frankly, the MR isn't balanced to be on every ship together with a CD either. It's far too dominant in duels among the "no missuls" croud as it is.

(09-11-2017, 03:51 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: >Take a look at snubs seperatly and their effectiveness. Stop taking time to change things that are already good and fix things that are useless. The Wasapu/Jackdaw? ship... you killed it. The crow/___ ship.... you killed it. The Spatial... you killed it. The OSC SHF... you killed it.
Basically anything you touch you ruin that you dont care about, so how about giving the responsibility of fixing these things to people that ACTUALLY care about it and don't have a stupid bias towards them.

The Wasupu probably needs a remodel, and then stat adjustments to suit that.
The Jackdaw and in fact all the "4 gunner extra CD" Heavy Fighters need some sort of overhaul. They honestly didn't work well even before the aux slots were added, and now the concept is just obsolete entirely. That's kind of part of a wider problem though.

The Crow, I personally loved and I really want to make a new one. I can think of a great candidate too, the awful Sunrider. It's big like the Moldy Crow, even has a fairly similar shape. I think it'd be great with Moldy Crow-ish stats.

The Spatial, again, probably needs a remodel. And again, SHFs in general need work to make them more viable.

The OSC SHF, not sure what the problem is supposed to be? It's easily the best SHF. The possibility to mount double MR or double Maxim, both of which are awesome, eight forward guns, decent speed, not too fat....it's really quite a capable ship.

Also, don't be so dramatic. "You killed it, you ruined everything" isn't really helping get your point across.

(09-11-2017, 05:41 PM)Omicron Wrote: 4.00's should be buffed in efficiency over 2.00's and 8.33's alike

I had to pick this out because I actually agree totally. When Haste was developing the efficiency formula, I recommended putting the efficiency high point between 3.03 and 4.00, and dropping off at both sides, rather than simply increasing as refire goes down.
Of course that requires a rather more complicated formula, but it's doable.

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Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017, 03:51 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Foxglove - 09-11-2017, 04:07 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by SnakThree - 09-11-2017, 04:08 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Titan* - 09-11-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Foxglove - 09-11-2017, 04:23 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Titan* - 09-11-2017, 04:37 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by sasapinjic - 09-11-2017, 04:40 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Foxglove - 09-11-2017, 04:42 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017, 05:01 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Corile - 09-11-2017, 05:23 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Foxglove - 09-11-2017, 05:24 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Shiki - 09-11-2017, 07:07 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by cherokee - 09-11-2017, 05:28 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Zyliath - 09-11-2017, 05:31 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by gafwmn - 09-11-2017, 05:35 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Omicron - 09-11-2017, 05:41 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Syf - 09-11-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Yber - 09-11-2017, 06:18 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017, 06:38 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Wesker - 09-11-2017, 06:49 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017, 06:56 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Wesker - 09-11-2017, 07:18 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017, 07:31 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Yber - 09-11-2017, 07:25 PM
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RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by Syf - 09-11-2017, 08:51 PM
RE: Why is PvP so damn difficult? - by nOmnomnOm - 09-11-2017, 09:06 PM
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