(09-12-2017, 10:41 AM)Karlotta Wrote: I read it all, and none of the things written there were unknown to me.
I dont want anyone to play the game for me.
I dont want you to give me private lessons.
I dont think you would beat me that easily.
I dont suck at pvp.
I've given private lessons to lots of people, and I've written pvp tutorials.
Please spend 30 minutes telling everyone about all your tricks, and all the ways to counter them, and all the ways to beat you.
Go.
Sounds familiar? Because it does not sound to me like you are commenting on "aces" being assholes to newbies or on whether the sidewinder is a good or bad tool.
Nobody is entitled to victory, regardless of spending 1 hour in their lifetime training or 1 hour per day. What they are entitled to is to optimize their training if they want to improve and get better, and I have burned myself over providing the most simple and effective tools for doing so, ranging from ingame "private lessons" to dozens of videos recorded in a ***** 30fps laptop and going as far as writing throughly detailed guides on what I do that lets me survive situations other people don't and applying and countering mechanics and techniques most people can't even do properly.
I know you are not calling me out in particular, but there is little else that can be added to make the learning experience easier for new players, minus arguiably advertising these guides and making them more visible to people.
The point is, people who want to improve have all the tools at their disposal to do so. This was not a problem in 2011 when there were 0 guides of this kind and "aces" geniuly avoided explaining people what sliding was or how it worked.
If you think the material available is not good enough then go do better than I did. Even feel free to record yourself in the best setup possible doing what I explain in the guides to show video examples if you are so inclined, I will do everything I can to help you out in doing so.
If you are not going to do so then you are no better than any of these "aces" you so despise and you have no right to call anyone out over anything.
I despise no-one. That's you talking.
Also, what if there is someone who did more tutoring than you?
Does that mean you have no right to call me out?
I wrote my tutorial in 2010. Although it was on another server, I think I recall there were already other tutorials on this server back then. Mine wasnt about how to win a 1 on 1 duel with an ace after 1 year training (which seems to be the focus of yours and others). It was about how to stay alive and be somewhat effective in a snub in general. How to dodge, how to save shields, how to quick-dock, how to ration energy, how to assess your chances in a fight before it starts.
But to answer your request:
My main trick is to shieldrun and hope the other guy doesn't have missiles or debs. The best way to counter that is to have missiles or debs. I also like to CD people and blow their mines up in their face. The best way to counter that is to nerf CDs. And then I like to shoot missiles, just at the right moment. The best way to counter that is to get gud at CDing me in my face and not shieldrunning. Or you could also nerf missiles, I suppose. Took less than 30 minutes. (/joke)
As you correctly stated, my comment was not directed at you. Either way I didnt mean it as a a competition about who did more or when (I'm assuming Wesker trains RHA like most train their own people).
The issue is about actively giving the other side a chance to win (in this example helping them to "get gud"), which is already the losing side, if you expect them to play on your terms (like not use missiles, not use greater numbers, not use caps).
It doesnt matter if that's done by training them, balancing fights for skill level too and not only in numbers and ship class, or balancing gear so people who only fight noobs together with other aces dont become unkillable.
The "get gud" argument applied to training is like saying "get caps too" or "get numbers too" to counter accusations of gank.
Fact is, the other side just doesnt have what it takes to win in those situations, and possibly doesnt want to fly caps or get a TS-squad, just like they dont want to spend 100 hours in conn.
In case you still wonder why in the world anyone in their right minds would ever want 5 noobs to *gasp* have a slightly better chance to win against a single ace:
-Personally, I don't care about an ace's enjoyment more than for the enjoyment of the other 5 people. If that sounded incredibly hateful to you, note the words MORE THAN after "enjoyment". I understand that people who have many ace friends and no pvp-noob friends may see it differently from me, and Iacknowledge that there may be legit reasons to cater to long term players rather than short term players. However losing at pvp here does not only mean losing a point in something you chose to partake in, but it often also means getting removed from something you enjoyed doing by something you didnt enjoy doing by someone who's purposely being a prick (most times people who tell people to "get gud" are perceived that way). I speak these words not out of spite to aces, but so that may consider that they are not more important players simply because they are good at pvp. Amen.
-If players should accept that they can die in pvp, so should skilled players. I understand that players who spent months practicing for hours every day so that they don't die are likely to not accept death as easily as others, but I utter these words in the hope that they accept death-by-incoming-missile in a game more easily nevertheless. Amen.
-Tactics matter, not only skill, in most games. Skill shouldnt let you win in every single situation, no matter how much your tactics suck, no matter how much your attitude sucks, no matter how frustrating it is for the others. Amen.
-Then there is also the little detail (not very important) that it seems to me (and not only to me, as I was told about this by others) that amazing skill with guns, as well as amazing turning and dodging skills, seem easier to... erm... "simulate" with various client side tweeks and "software upgrades" than server-side missiles. There are also a few semi-"legal" tweaks which are not talked about in most tutorials. I speak not these words to accuse everyone whose amazing skills win them 5vs1s on a regular basis of cheating. But I utter them so that people remember that this is what inexplicably amazing skills that make you unkillable look like, and feel like, to many people. Amen.
So all in all, balancing things so some people are totally unkillable to 95% of the server population even if they piled onto them in a 1 to 5 ratio (while the other 5% fly mostly on the same side) seems like a very bad idea to me personally.
