Why is PvP so damn difficult?

[Achilies]

Also, discover doesn't really cater to noobs. There literally is no progression where noobs get to have fun doing what they expect from a freelancer mod. It's something devs have continuously neglected and not cared about for years, and turned down many attempts to help fix.

The gear-gathering was killed by strict technerfs, the repping with missions and bribes was killed by ID autorepping, the exploration was killed by /restarts, the PvE was killed by no-CD easy to kill npcs, there is no interesting storyline they can meaningfully participate in, they can't form new groups without them getting stomped dead. All of that to make things more comfy for entitled vets.

THIS IS PART OF THE MAIN PROBLEM , why progress when i can restart , why fly to another system when i can restart 20 chars and put them everywhere and i get 20 bases to counter raids,but why wait for raids when i can go pvp in conn,boom i go to conn,i pvp for an hour,i log out and no raid was made that day,from what i see at the moment RP has become PVP

All noobs are expected to do is be pirated while mining and trading, be easy targets, and behave in every way the vets want them to hoping to have a little more to say in a few years. And that's not much fun.

This i dont agree with,back in the day when there were no restarts you started in Penny and worked your way from there however you first went into Liberty which was HEAVILY defended and you could get a pretty good start under protection from the police and navy in which there were also quite a bit of aces

The "PvP is too difficult" is really just part of a much broader issue.

Pvp is ment to be challenging however as a former ace who has trained people i can say that with 3-5 1-hour lessons by anyone who knows his stuff + 10-20 hours practice you can become average at pvping without too much trouble,1 on 1 you will not be able to defeat a veteran but you will be able to drain some hull and with luck will be able to beat him 3 out of 10 times
this has been tested

Exactly, the old gun/missle & cd/torp/mr worked perfectly fine in my humble opinion. Vets could still kill newbies withno any effort, but some newbies could at least do something if they lacked some natural aim, with hopes of their missiles to hit.

And I'll still complain about the removal of missiles, which took away another vanilla feeling of the game. Like in vanila you could even mount missiles instead of regular gun, not class 10 slot like we used to have in disco. It'd be my actual perfect dream, but I have high doubts for bringing it back to this state of things.

Well said Epo

Missiles are far better now than they were in .85 or earlier, when a single well timed CD could counter them in duels and they would never hit in chase due to countermeasures. Now there's an 80% chance or so of them bypassing CMs entirely, and you need lightning fast reflexes to CD a 400 m/s sidewinder in time.

HHC cannonballs require lightning fast reflexes to cd....sidewinders can only be cd'd if you are really good at anticipating and lucky at that moment , though if launched from a little more distance even that wont be enough, though i still consider this only a minor balance issue

Torpedoes were fun and great. now they are gone because of struteny from "players who know how to pvp".

If you're speaking about the Starkiller & Sunslayer, then yes, I get why you were saying they're fun, but they were not great to the balance of the game. Ruthless tactics used by ye olde veteran PvPers which basically "missile-bended" the 20k damage load onto your ship in a near instant and without themselves getting damaged eliminated the "fun" from torpedoes.
An honorable mention are the instakill loadouts that used those torpedoes, this game doesn't need instakills unless it's clearly skill-based.

Not to mention the Starkiller which was basically a better Sidewinder.

Biggest load of .... that ive heard , the amount of players capable of doing that in the history of disco are a minority inside the ace minority , bending the torp requires specific timing which can be exploited to deadly effect by any cd-wielding player,you usually end up dead unless you are perfect,they were fun and they should be returned as they were since they gave the possibility of any noob making an ace cry by ram-torp-nuking him,quite frankly i enjoyed the rage - even aces should die from time to time , else their egos become larger than appropriate