=SoW= Solitude of War

[XCAI-17]

Ok.

I actually think it's good, but there are some things that make no sence to me.

First off, this is not where you post this, it should go to the faction creation or whatever, not the feedback thread.

3) Post your faction idea in Faction feedback forum. Ask about admins' opinion! This will help you on next stage.

-You said "Enough to commence construction on more warships. Although painfully slow, the Order fleets began to expand." This isn't quite true. The Order is still small and too under-manned to produce ships at this scale.

Call it a certain poetic license, based on the history and current standings. The indication at the end of Freelancer was that the Order had got into the good books of the Houses, and it would be logical for them to receive more resource support. The assumption made is that interhouse tensions and gradual forgetting of the Nomad problems led to those being withdrawn - especially combined with rising interhouse tensions, and the declaration of hostilities from the Bounty Hunters and Liberty. Hence, the short 'golden age'. With that loss, and the increase in Nomad power, the Order had to go to the Corsairs for support.

Or at least, that's what made sense in my mind;)

-I don't get the Pirate ID thing still, the ID regulations of the Pirate don't fit with the ID regulations of the Order and criss-crossing them makes no sence either
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-You also said "watching our old friends get slowly torn apart from several warzone fronts". The Order doesn't go on full-out war, creating "battlefronts" etc. We don't have near the manpower to do that. So your purposes needs serious re-thinking

It's a mindset. The Order is a law-abiding faction, which is doing its best to defend all of human from alien incursion - but they're forced into fighting the Outcast pirate alliance from their Corsair alliegances, and Liberty and the BHG through the corrupt aggression of the two. Prior to 800 AS, this was the case anyway, but at least then, they had security in anonymity, supposedly mythical cloaking devices, and the fact that Toledo was unheard of. Now? Not so much. The Order doesn't ask for war, it doesn't want to create fronts, but it doesn't have much option. You said it yourself, they're short on manpower, so they can't very well stop whoever wants to from tramping all over their territory.

Solitude of War is certainly an Order faction with emnity towards the Nomads, but it is the other wars that we are concerned with. Black Squadron fights a holding action when Liberty comes knocking, perhaps the occasional raid on Alaska. Solitude goes on the offensive to deal with human threats to the Order, and the pirate ID is more of a representation of the methods that we use. My original thought was a Terrorist ID, but those, of course, are hard to obtain. Not to mention controversial.

-Adding such a "Dom'Kavash" prison system seems kinda too far out of the box

It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me. The Nomads seem like dangerous toys to have around, and the level of bio-engineering that the Nomads use suggests to me that the masters aren't not too dissimilar. Prison system is perhaps a melodramatic term, but I can certainly imagine the Dom Kavash toying with other forms of genetics; UCA-3, for example.

-Everything you say you would do, fight Nomads, bounty hunters etc. is what Bs| does.

Again, it's a mindset and methodry difference. Black Squadron are the quintessential good guys, fighting with the moral high ground. Solitude has seen from its experiences as Hive that the best way to fight an enemy is generally with a few dirty tricks. I remember a thread concerning SA accusing BS of attacking shipping - a misunderstanding that was cleared up, but you made the statement that Black Squadron 'was not a terrorist group that attacked civilian targets, regardless of alignment'.

-Wrecked weapons? No way, you can't have liberty fighter guns in an Order ship
-Weapons sold on civilian bases? Define "civilian bases". And that could include everything from outcast to rheinland weapons
-Salvaged Nomad weaponry. Don't just salvage it, explain how you are going to use it and how you figured out you even can use them.
-Your Reputation needs some serious work.

Work in progress. The wreck weapons thing will almost certainly be removed. That particular section was to a great extent throwing out ideas. As for reputations, that has been left like that until we've put out some diplomatic feelers to certain factions - Black Squadron being one, of course.

Now, I can sence a power struggle coming. You have a rank of "Fleet Admiral" and "Vice Admiral", now the Order has it's leader (Dboy) and 4 "official" admirals, those in Bs|. There will be struggles when both factions are in space, and you must know Bs| will always hold more power. Go look at our faction recruitment. I the past week we've had like 8 new members apply, I've never seen so much.

All in all, you sound like you want to do what Bs| and independant Order ships and pilots already do. This will just cause problems and will end in another civil war. We've had how many... like 4, 5 other Order factions attempt at approval? All have been shut down. The Order is frankly too small to be shared by more than 1 player factions, and again, it will only cause problems.

Your last point is indeed valid, although I could point out that some factions - the Corsairs notably - are rather oversubscribed with player-based factions. Certainly they have a large amount of territory, but the point still stands.

You also have a good point with the rank names, and I'm going to suggest to Nukey that we work on those. However, although we are Order, loyalties and command structure would be very internally focused. After all, few - if any - of our pilots and crews will be sourced from within the Order; we'll respect Black Squadron commands, but are liable to consider them 'suggestions'...

As for tensions between us, once we become operational, I cannot forsee our ships spending a great deal of time in the deep Omicrons, except for training and dealing with incursions. Our ZOI, based on our aims, will be more headed into House space.

I don't know why new factions loaded with members come from other servers thinking they can rule supreme, but that is blasphemy. This is Discovery, not just some other server, things matter here, and you won't be able to barge in and expect immediate approval.

Take all of this into consideration, I don't want another Civil war.

-SwissScorch

Your views are appreciated, and it's certainly made a few of the old gears turn over;) We're a little way off affording the application fee. Any constructive criticism is welcomed. Civil war is certainly not what we intended. A few RP-based bits of unease, perhaps, but not war.

@Mule: The Resurrection was kept a closely guarded secret by the Hive, who weren't keen on getting the Order on their backs, so it was put into safe-keeping for emergencies. Now it's being brought out again.

Also, there is an extensive discussion taking place as to whether we will actually have more than one Osiris. Most likely the Resurrection will be it. Other battleships are highly unlikely, although we are planning to open negotiations regarding Corsair and Zoner gunboats and cruisers.

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