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Poll: Who should be able to use them
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LSF and Kishiro Only
43.90%
36 43.90%
Liberty Forces (LSF, LPI, SA/LN) and Kishiro
15.85%
13 15.85%
Any law enforcement faction from Liberty or Kusari
1.22%
1 1.22%
Any lawful Faction from Liberty/Kusari (traders included)
7.32%
6 7.32%
Everyone (like Mercs and BHG)
31.71%
26 31.71%
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The Raven's Claw
Offline tfmachad
06-04-2008, 05:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-04-2008, 05:40 PM by gronath.)
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' Wrote:So if the ship was stolen from Kusari by Liberty, does that mean that any Liberty forces flying it should be attacked by Kusari. Same approach that established factions use for attacking independents flying "their" ships.
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Bad form of reductio ad absurdum.

The ship wasn't stolen from Kusari, but from Kishiro (slight difference), the info card is inconclusive as to the actual terms of the said robbery (purpose and scenario) as well as to the original plans for the project (possible defense contract dispute?). Considering the overall scenario of the large corporations portrayed in Sirius, that design doesn't look (not the ship's looks, more like it's original specs) like it was meant to be applied for regular escort duties.

Anyway, as for the same approach part. Organizations have better means to apply force (both political and physical) against rogue agents than the other way around. Also, as the context grows, the application of force becomes a last resort option. You don't see many governments eager to go to war against others, specially when they're likely to lose the conflict (in RP). Kusari is already engaged in a tangled war against Bretonia, they likely don't want anymore trouble coming from Liberty then they are already getting indirectly (considering Liberty sounds more partial to Bretonia than Kusari). To quote Londo Molari:

Quote:"Only a fool fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the kingdom of fools fights a war on twelve fronts!"

I don't think a ship's plans stolen from a national corporation is reason enough for Kusari to risk going to war against Liberty, even if the design was originally meant for military use. Another thing can be extrapolated from the info card's short story. Why would LSF steal a ship they could easily acquire indirectly through purchase? It doesn't sound reasonable that the ship was stolen while it was in production and it doesn't sound reasonable that the ship is in production in Kusari as it isn't for sale there (but then again this is questionable).

All in all, we get away from physical force to the realm of politics. Even though Liberty can rest somewhat assured that Kusari wouldn't take any open exceptions against that event, they wouldn't want the bad publicity that would come along with the government being openly accused of theft because of a ship. So it's likely LSF would apply the stolen design very quietly if it's really worth it (covert ops and the sort). I'd go as far as saying that the exterior design of the ship, if it is now built by/for LSF, probably would have little to do with the Kishiro original. That is, in itself, enough reason for that ship not to be openly applied by anyone, specially the navy, unless engaged in some sort of very quiet operation. And that's more than enough reason to presume the same ship wouldn't be out there for sale for just anyone.

If Kishiro continued it's project and production, the whole LSF theft of the ship is rather silly. If they can reverse engineer a prototype, they would be able to do the same with a stock model easily purchasable by a third party. If the ship's designs were stolen during the project phase and Kishiro managed to resume it, then we need a base in Kusari selling this ship, otherwise the whole issue remains unsolvable.

EDIT: Hell, I'd say that even LSF should use the ship more scrupulously (if they are engaged in regular law enforcement stuff).

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The Raven's Claw - by kingvaillant - 06-03-2008, 04:02 PM
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The Raven's Claw - by tfmachad - 06-03-2008, 04:13 PM
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