The Raven's Claw

[Zeltak]

KoF, with all due respect you cannot simply say that Sovereign is trying to impose "His way of Roleplaying over others". No, hes just trying to explain to you why you shouldn't use it, and doing so by coming from a Roleplaying perspective. Everything he says makes sense.

The KoF is universal traders right? Basicly trying to wander the whole Sirius and keeping the house factions to atleast neutral to them.

So lets say that you can somehow use the Ravens Claw. Fine, it's LSF ship, that means the minute you enter Rheinland you would be looked upon as a spy or something that identifies you as hostile due to your ship.

About the Ravens Talon, now that's a more grey area, and for the sake of having fun, and being understanding. I guess you can use it.

But I cannot see no roleplay reasons for you to use the Ravens Claw.

As Gronath told Suzanna, do you have any strong arguments to why you should use it? So far i've seen two arguments and that is: "Stop rule lawyering about roleplay" and "It's just a game".

Then its up to the LSF leaders to decide, just like Sovereign said:

If the [KoF] escorts get special permission from the LSF to use them, then fine. If not, then expect some rough-housing, its a military grade stealth ship after all. If you want to fly it, make an LSF or use openSP. Not that hard. Same thing with capital ships, just less dangerous.

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Sovereign if it's there to buy then my guys have permission from ME as Clan leader to buy it.
We help the LSF and Liberty Navy tackling pirates in and around Liberty.
We need a strong LSF and Navy to keep Liberty safe and that helps my convoys and therefor company profits.
The LSF or Navy have never objected before so we will continue to use it.

It's not up to you, even though you are a faction leader, dosen't give you the right to give permission for vessels that you do not "own" or "control". If that was the case, then the Corsair faction-leaders could simply say "Well, since i'm the faction leader, i'm the one who gives permission to my members if they want to use the Sabre". It dosen't work that way.

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Far to many big mouthed r/p lawyers, for goodness sake, at the heart of it all it's only a game which most of us play for fun, back off and let the fun begin. and stop trying to rule.

Also, a person (or a group) refusing to let go of: Wepons, ships or something similar, even though it's completely against their Roleplay to use them. That is called destroying the fun for others and in no way is it trying to "make our roleplay rules and follow them" it's the universal rule, the spirit of roleplay. You destroy the spirit of roleplay by violating it, and frankly you are doing that right now by using such a vessel.