[CSW] recruitment

[Akumabito]

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
My analysts have presented me with a list of potential concerns they have about your organization's...longevity.[/quote]

Well, I'm sure they all have answers that will make your concerns unwarranted.

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
//Oh, I think the act of simply purchasing any capital ship capable of mounting Class Ten weapons is overkill for a Junker. At most, they would need destroyers for dealing with Nomads and disputes between the Outcast and Corsair alliances on their bases, and those on a limited basis.[/quote]

Well good, you do see the need at least for cruisers and gunboats, looks like you agree with the basic tenet of the faction.:)

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
They are a neutral people, and they live in junk fields and asteroids.[/quote]

Like the Blood dragons, who developed their own battleship, right?:)

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
[*]Their terrain of choice is not suitable for the class of warship. Even the smallest Battleships, (Bounty Hunter Battleships and Osirises) and even Battlecruisers, are too large to operate in the junk fields and asteroid belts the Junkers make their homes in.[/quote]

That's untrue, I fly a BH BC through asteroids all the time, and even my Bretonia BS has gone to the O5 JH and back without issue.

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
They'd be making the exact same mistake the Rheinland Navy made with the GMG in the Sigma-13 invasion.[/quote]

Terrain had nothing to do with that defeat, I guess you don't spend much time in sig 13 but there is no asteroid field in the Yanagi Cloud, it's wide open to big ships.

Rhiendland was defeated by the GMG in a surprise attack, the GMG was supplied for the attack by Kusari.

If you're going to make points try to make sense with them and actually learn the history of the events so you don't misrepresent them, ok?

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
[*]They aren't particularly organized, certainly not enough to provide fuel for something this large, except for one particular organization: The Junker Congress, whom have already stated their rejection of capital ships that large. [/quote]

Totally specious argument, The Junker Congress doesn't supply fuel, companies like the GMG and Samura sell fuel to anyone, even the corsairs and Bretonia.

[*]It would be very simple to reclaim them, and the chance of an entire Battleship escaping is virtually nil. Anything that size going missing would be noticed instantly by its organization of origin, with the possible exception of the Bounty Hunters, and hunted down with swarms of bombers and other capital ships. Chance of success: miniscule at best.[/quote]

That assumes BS's are never alone near the outskirts of a factions ZOI, which simply isn't the case. Another specious argument.

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
[*]It would take an exceptionally large mutiny to take control of a Battleship. Those things are estimated to be crewed by anywhere from 300 (Osiris, Bounty Hunter Battleship) to 2500 (Rheinland Battleship, Zoner Juggernaut) people. For a successful mutiny, just to take the ship and have enough men left over to fly it, you would likely need about two thirds of the crew to defect, assuming combat ability among the crew is near-identical among most individuals.[/quote]

And that's not unreasonable when you have factions of governments declaring entire ships and crews to be traitors and put them under a death penalty, like your faction has done.

Heck, there's people here that have RP'd flying a Bretonia BS as an outcast and all sorts of other silly things, and seeing as how there have been real life successful mutinies (Like the Potemkin for instance) it seems a stretch for you to dictate that what is clearly possible isn't just because you don't like it, doesn't it?

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
Beyond that, such a thing would take large amounts of planning, and people like to talk about things; minimum you'd have 200 people involved, and out of those chances are several of them will shoot off their mouths, and will hence be reported to the high command of whatever organization the Battleship serves, whom will intervene in short order. [/quote]

Actually of the many mutinies that have occurred in real life, some are spontaneous and some were planned, but both methods are clearly possible historically, which kinda shoots holes in this contrived argument of yours as well, doesn't it?.

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
[*]Fugitive State. This is a rogue ship, and, as stated two points above, the higher-ups of whatever organization it originated in would know almost instantly.[/quote]

Maybe, or maybe not, depending how it goes down, but whether they know it deserted instantly or a week afterward, whether they think it was destroyed with all hands by nomads has no bearing once the ship is outside their ZOI.

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
The Junkers wouldn't dare touch a ship that large, even to sell it fuel. [/quote]

Of course they would, they sell to anyone.

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
It would be seen as a hostile act towards the oganization of origin, and aforementioned originator would likely take punitive action on the Junkers as well.[/quote]

Actually they likely wouldn't, any more than the Junkers will stop selling supplies to the outcasts because the blue lotus's killed junkers who didn't pay them 5 mill for the favor of taking their carti to market:)

[quote name='Epyon the Bored' date='Jun 7 2008, 02:07 AM' post='268250']
The Junkers are not stupid and would avoid this at all costs.[/quote]

The Junkers are smart enough to know the outcasts are not going to war with the Junkers in force, which would cripple their carti distribution and much of their own supply lines.

That's assuming they even know the Junkers have that ship, which is unlikely once it's been repainted and has a new VIN:)