Carrier Class Ships

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I even offered to do the close combat while they fired their Hurricanes and Nightmare torps from a 3 k distance and always the same answer " No. That is a Valor".

Stress on the "A". A Valor. One Valor. This means that they didn't want to join you because they didn't want to treat the player behind the Valor unfairly. 2 vs 1 is unfair. They were not afraid, they just thought you could kill him alone. If you can't, you should have offered them to kill it instead, while you would stay in reserve in case something unpredictable happens, like another Valor arriving, or your mate losing connection. The battle they will not lose.

In the mean time how about offering training to the Indie Dunkirk so they would get the "soldier" mentality instead of "warrior" thinking. Soldiers win wars, Warriors die and have statues erected to inspire the masses.

I already do that, and what you pointed out in the about soldier vs warrior is part of my training, but I explain it differently. To me, it is Romans vs barbarians. This means that, even if you have great personal skill, you will contribute to the general effort minimally if you do not coordinate with others. On the other hand, even if your skill in duels is average, you can contribute a great deal in a fleet battle if you coordinate well with others. A single barbarian will beat a single Roman. However, a Roman army will beat a barbarian army. Coordination and discipline.

Still, this is not needed if your opponent is just 1 Valor. We, in the BAF|, treat our opponents fairly so that they would come again, otherwise we would have nothing to shoot at. So, we don't gank them with 2 ships on 1, or a gunboat against a fighter, or similar. At least if we're just having a normal pew, but if we're defending a convoy with cargo, or a POB, then we'll use all that is necessary.

The "A Valor" was followed by up with green PM of how they did not think 2v1 could win against Valor. I disagree with the "unfair" aspect of your thinking. however I do see your point of people not returning if you "gank" them. I grew up in a military family and there is no such thing as fair play in War. 1v1 fair play IS warrior thinking. Soldier thinking is using all assets to bring to bare to accomplish victory. If I am out there alone and a Valor, Fighter and Battle Cruiser was before me than I expect to be attacked by them all and I will attack them. It will lead to a really quick demise of my ship which I am ok with. It is why I don't watch 1v1 fighter battles inRP after watching 2 battles when I first purchased Carrier. The only time I stick around is if I see same enemy tag in near by systems. then I just shoot the annoying NPCs that engage PvP players. I do respect the wishes of the players when they refuse the "assisting friendly" that I offer. And Group coordination is critical. If the the Dunkirk and the training is a match for Gallic forces then why did the BAF groups and Indie IDs lose so badly at the "Battle for Leeds"? I saw the videos on You Tube someone posted of this engagement and it was one sided.