Ending the Capship Issue(and more)

[n00bl3t]

After I had some sleep I thought of something. Correct me if Im way off track Tek, n00bl3t and other "for-indies".

Is the PVP server down? Because it seems to me be two issues contributing to the issue here. 1) an influx of people wanting the biggest ships with the biggest armor, with the biggest guns - without proper RP. To me that is just "capship-whoreship". That Kind of thing I feel belongs on the pvp server.
and 2) the unfair restrictions put on indies because of this influx of new players.

Would that be about right?

I'm not from the PVP server. Have never played there in my life. I have nothing past 2.5 times armour. I don't own a BS at the moment either. Any further clarification needed?

So what we are seeing here, and why the issue has come up now (now being these last weeks -> months) is a result of the pvp players having no where to go.

If they want to join the RP server they need to step up to the game. That is one of the issues. That is why these restrictions are coming into place, because the pvpers have come in assuming that they can do what they did on the pvp server here on the rp server. The two are completly different beasts.

You CANNOT have pvp thinking on the RP server, otherwise the factions and established Indies here on this RP server will react.

That is what I believe has happened here.
I am all for Indy players, if they can RP. Not RP according to what I want, but basic RP of "Hi" "hi". Many of them dont even say anything when hailed. Don't forget...this is an RP server first and foremost. Those are the server rules. RP.

"For-indy" supporters listen to me. Please try to help us factions, help the Indy players who are not doing ANY RP ingame or in the forums. That is the issue I think. That is the way forward...the established Indies. Please help us factions to train the PVP thinkers into RP thinking. If that's possible.

I will help the indy-players by not supporting a faction's lust for power. I will help new players who need help RP-ing. Anything else?

To Eternal: First off, if it's so useless to you, don't bother, as you don't seem to bother listening as well.

As for the points you addressed, that is the main point, a fighter flying around doing his patrol/ pirating/ whatever, wouldn't come and engage a BS, but try flying a corsair fighter through delta without getting jumped by 3-5 BH BSs trying to shoot you down, without a word.. without anything, just guns rawring, and "run noob" "lol" "I will pwnt you" being shouted in system chat, does it sound like a fun scene? if so, talk with me, i will arrange a capship abmush on your fighter evreytime it undocks.

As for Cap Ship hating, I have a Hessian Cruiser of my own, it is the flag ship of my faction with a RP story behind and reasoning.
The only battle it was in was in sttutgart, when 3 BH BSs and 3 BH GBs attacked 2 VHFs of my faction when they were on patrol.
Side to that, it only comes out if there is a cap ship around Hessian Terph.

What i hate is not people flying capital ships, it's people not RPing in it, or at all, and whoring them, taking a group of BSs around sirius shotting at anything they stumble upon.
If you RP your ship, and you believe in your RP, why not just register and get it over with? why all the war mongering against a simple task? just because you find it offencive to indies all around? the threat wasn't for you, it was for those indies that do not RP, those that need to be threaten to realise they need to shape up.

Is signing in an RP background, or a short story, or any RP that hard and takes so much out of you that you will rather write endless flames and accusation against all the official factions and their leaders?

If you, as indie capship pilots, would of invested half as much time or effort in writing down a short RP background to your ship, we wouldn't have a problem would we? the RPers would get approval and lifted up by the comunity, and the capwhores would vanish as the comunity will shake them off it's back.

I don't shout OORP things. I have RP of my own, written on the forum. I will not register with the 101st. I've invested my time in writing that RP. Why do I have to register?\

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You don't care about the RPing, if you did you wouldn't put your own ego above it.

This cap ship registry doesn't help RP, you know it and I know it.

The day you do start caring about anyone on this server beside yourself is the day you deserve to be thought of as something other than a petty, pissed off teenage boy.

I will not support personal attacks, regardless of the validity of your statements. Bad.:nono:

If you own a Capital Class ship made by a NPC faction's shipyard, the OFFICIAL player faction that plays that NPC faction, has the right to monitor who is buying what in their shipyards.

You can argue all you want but that is a fact.

What is so evil in asking you to register your craft? What did they ask you? You are making a mountain out of a little stone..

There is much RP in asking Capital Ship class captions to register their craft upon buying it, for so many reasons that were mentioned already.

Stop thinking this is just a petty fight over who pwnt who, and stop twisting words to show as if it is that way. Eppy gave you an example as you guys so asked for one. That was all of it.
If we wanted all indie cap ships gone, we would of just KoSed you all and just take up bombers and shoot any capship on sight.
no, we are just asking you to register.
So stop with making a big fuss out of it and just register.

Their shipyards are Corsica. In Omicron-85. Only. If this is the case, Battleships and Destroyers do not come under their jurisdiction. That is what people want, I remember a thread when Korrd made his statement in the server and everyone was fueling up their bombers.

The point of having an OFFICIAL, and i will repeat it, OFFICIAL faction, is the faction's dominion over the said territories of it's ZoI are backed up by the Admins and The Comunity.
Yes, Disco is above all a Comunity, an RPing Comunity, and if you want to take part of that Comunity, you will fall in line with the rules it dictates for it's own protection.
If you find them not suiting for you, please, by all means, find a different server that falls in with your views, and i turely think that if one doesn't find it's place in a comunity, he needs to maybe go look for a different one that is more for his views.

Forcing him to register is forcing him to RP.
And RP is what we are all about here, that and the Comunity.

Now, maybe the best way to fix this situation is move all the BS production to faction gaurd systems in the next version, that way we might solve the problem for good, but instead we are trying to figure out a better way to get thing right again.

I can assure you that after you get all your Big Ships pwnted everytime you undock, you will fly them less and less each time, but we all don't want to go there, we just want to make sure all of the indie cap ship RPs.

And as for "I can fly what i want and i don't care what you say" attitude, well, that brings me to the first point i made.
This is a Comunity, and if you don't fall in line with it and it's rules, you will soon find yourself out of it.

I RP without registration. Therefore no registration is not going to force me to do anything. Big ships can be killed by two bombers, so their pwning can be halted quite easily, as many have said.

A community. Where in the rules does it say factions have the right to restrict capital ships?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.